Why was the possibly 4-A removed? And remove Creation, Reality Warping, Matter Manipulation for the queen. The Pixls are created for manual labor, it was never stated the have the same abilities as the Ancients. However, due to being the origin of Pixls, she likely has the similar abilities the Pixls used in the game has.
I'm not sure why possibly 4-A was removed, that wasn't something I did. However, my CRT does involve bringing the characters back to 4-A, so it will overall remove the "possibly" rating. My reasoning for Creation, Reality Warping, and Matter manipulation was not because they have the same abilities as the Ancients. But rather, it was stated that with the help of the Pixls, they were able to assist the Ancients in creating new worlds. Meaning they should have these abilities if they were able to help out make these worlds. It's also one of the reasons for her 2-B tier. I disagree with her having the original powers of the other 11. Nothing implies she has these abilities and it wouldn't make sense either, due to the fact each Pixl in the game as an ability that makes them different from each other.
Your link completely contradict your argument this because within same video, it's stated that Pixl are created for manual labor due to the Ancients not being physically powerful not for creation.Those abilities should be removed because nothing implies her having those abilities or any dimensional powers.
How exactly does this contradict anything? They were created for more physical work, yes, but that doesn't mean they weren't able to assist the Ancients in creating new worlds. It quite literally states "With the help of the Pixls, the Ancients built amazing worlds." This blatantly says that they assisted with the creation of new worlds. Pixls are shown to have their own powers and are not only just for physical stuff. It was also stated that they assist them in making new ideas they have never thought of. Due to being one of the original 12, this applies to the Pixl Queen and thus should have these abilities.
That's exactly why its contradicting. The Pixls were created for manual labor, not dimensional creation or reality warping. Why would they create them for those capabilities when they are already capable of such? Heck, it further implies that they do not have similar abilities and simply cultivate within the dimensions created, not actually create them. Ask for that second sentence, that's a feat of intelligence, not a testament of abilities. Those abilities are to be remove from her page until further notice.
Yes, their original intention was for manual labor. And yet we have the statement of them helping with the creation of worlds. You do realize we don't know exactly how these worlds were created, yes? Maybe they were able to assist in some ways we aren't aware since we were never given much information. While you can argue it's headcanon, I can say the same for your own argument. My point is it was stated they assisted, and you can't work around that statement simply because they were originally intended for manual labor. As I've said before, they've assisted in other things besides things that are physcial, that was my point. We can take this to your CRT for other people's opinions.
Not original intention. It always was. A feat of intelligence does not warrant such abilities. Everything I stated is not headcanon whatsoever. It's purely on what was established in the information that was given. You are just assuming abilities based on the fact they helped with world building, ignoring the fact they are only required for physical labor, having such abilities contradicts their purposes with an argument as little as "They help build worlds", while ignoring that they are only be referring to developing within the dimensions that's already created and not actually creating them. If the limited known abilities is the issue with the page and you have to rely on headcanon to make some up for it, then I rather have this profile taken down all together. Last thing I want is a page with false info and such, while you start throwing my name in it whenever someone else will inevitably point this out.
I personally think Dino Ranger Black is making sense here, but neutral overall. I agree Pixl Queen definitely assisted them in the more physical department. Which perhaps included stuff like constructing things within the universes/dimensions, but she perhaps didn't have the same magic of being able to produce entire timelines.
So I heard the removal of those three abilities, but was there anything else?
It was their original inention, but because they have a mind of their own, this is how they were able to do another things freely. It's not an assumption that they have these abilites. World building is blatant, it's one of the reasons why the Ancients are tier 2. If they assisted, then this gives them the ability as well. Hell, it was even stated that they were used as "thinking tools" as well, further proving my point this was only the original intentions. The intelligence feat was supporting evidence that they do more than simple things such "help, carry this large box" (as an example). Prove that Garson is only reffering to pre-existing worlds, because with the context on what the Ancients do and the seperate universes in Super Paper Mario, we can say it's reffering to creating new worlds and not just adding on things that have already been made.
Not sure why you are assuming that if someone points out a flaw, then I would say it's due to you. Considering how I made the page and had to do my own research since no abilites were given, then it's all on me.
Hey man I know you've been busy and alot has been going on and I'm just send this out. I dont usually Message ppl but I want to ask you to share your thought on this thread https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/Thread:3898107
It's kinda long and I know your probably working on other this but ur input would be appreciated. Have a nice day :)
Just wanted to say, I do apologize if I said anything to make you uncomfortable on this thread, there's also no need to write any long posts. But when you have time, do you mind taking a look at my final lengthy post to see if you think I covered everything? Thank you in advance.
Fair enough, I'd rather the topic not be brought up again either given it has been done so many times. And the thread has become omni-directional circle jerking truth be told. But I'm just trying to wrap it up ASAP.
However, I'll at least give some summarized details here so that it's easier to access. The fact that dimensions is plural is more than enough proof to at least say all Dream Worlds are different bodies of space. Whether that means pocket realities or universes are up to debate, but that's clarified with the next detail.
And it's already agreed Future Dream is clearly a Universe given its multiple Universe statements. And this video show cases all dream worlds as being these bubbles that are parallel to each other. And we already have confirmation that all Dreams are collected and turned into Dream Worlds; so that would include Subcon and Subspace from SMB2 and all Dream Worlds from Dream Team. And we have evidence that Subcon and Subspace are parallel two each other. So it makes no sense for Future Dream to be bigger than the combined size of every other dream world as well as Subcon and Subspace being the only two dreams that are parallel.
Furthermore, the only real basis of the counter arguments is that quite literally every piece of flowery language in the book is taken literally. As well as taking game mechanics literally. This includes eyeballing the size of the characters to the map and assuming Map's visuals = size of the whole dimension. All Dream worlds in Dream Team have real starry skies when a big jumping ability is used. And same with "Fill with my Dreams" making no sense at all. And "Dreaming bigger" is both super flowery and and counter-intuitive. Because, Mario's dreams alone would have to be "Bigger" than Future Dream, which even the first three years of his life would create enough universes to be 2-B. Let alone his age of 24, and his friends and other Seven Star Children being just as big as dreamers as him. And a bunch of other details.
Hope this at least makes things easier, and I wonder if a Discussion Rule might be in order?
Although, still divided, it seems closer to reaching a conclusion. The OP said he's done arguing unless other staff get involved. Plus, the overwhelming majority still agrees with Saikou even if he hasn't responded in a long while.
Thank you very much and I appreciate the concern. I'm doing fine for the most part, I'm just coping with my new schedule, as usual. I'm grateful for the offer but I, unfortunately, don't have discord and I'm not sure if I want to open one anytime soon. But, if I do, I'll be sure to let you know. Thanks for considering me. :)
Thank you :) I'll reply on the thread given your evaluation of the matter, since I still do have some problems with it, although that seems to have cleared up most of the doubts and rampant speculation and uncited claims there.
It really seems more of a case of exploration rather than size since people brought the same argument for the size of the galaxies. Anyway, I don't mean to sound ignorant but I have already stated my piece. I'm not really invested in the thread at this point since it seems too long, hostile, and intense for me to deal with and I dealt with those long enough hence why I stopped following and I already provided an alternative if your view were the case. My apologies but I don't wish to sound apethetic, so you can still call me if final input or clarity is necessary.
Fair enough though on the toxcitiy point given that has already been pointed at me via certain members calling me a troll in the thread....just because said thread is a downgrade thread and I legit find the verses stats very concerning given the profile justifications lol. I responded since you made it unclear prior if you stated you replied to my post afterward.
I respectfully don't agree on how it pertains to exploration given the points I outlined relating tp them referring to the entire dream world expanding and it being minisclule already, but thanks regardless. I guess I'll just wait for further members to respond.