Hope it didn't come off as if I thought you were unreasonable. I think you're wrong, but honestly that felt like a very level headed back and forth between you and I. I do plan on speaking to other administrators regarding these issues off site and how tonaddress them, but I wanna say I appreciate how the talk didn't spiral into a mess like it could have.
No worries, I enjoyed our discussion and got some good insight on how others think about these sort of subjects. I may come off sorta like an ass but it's not intentional most of the time, I just really have trouble getting my point across alot of the time and feeling how others feel about these types of things. Although I do feel that I am right, I trust the decision of the staff regardless.
Also, maybe a good option in these types of situations would be to talk to these individuals one on one or in a group discussion, level with them. It seems their dislike of the way sonic is handle lead to these insults and negativity, it wouldn't hurt and one can make a better judgement of their character and intent behind those actions.
Well regardless of that I am trying to make a thread so that mundus gets more hax (I will not stop until the god tier of dmc becomes ness :v) and I already have it and that, but there is one that I need help and it is Conceptual manipulation Well here is what I have achieved to make the context fit in the concep hax.
If we manage to do this, Void Mundus would step on to Saint Seiya in 3A since they do not resist corruption and hax diseases.
If they disagree, then the entity of life (DC post crisis) has Abstract Existence (The Life Entity is the manifested form of creation and life of the universe), Conceptual Manipulation (Type 4: The Life Entity is linked to all living beings in the universe),
Hello Oliver, I'm fine thanks for asking. Now to get down to business.
I'm not good at dealing with powers such as concept manipulation or the logic behind it so I can't give a proper response to your proposal but I believe in order for this to qualify as concept manipulation, Mundus has to be stated or proven to be the creator of the darkness. There is probably some form of concept manipulation here from manipulating the entire demon world's energy or state but it wouldn't be anything special and not worthy of mentioning in verses battles.
Hopefully this gave you some insight but it would probably be better to ask someone else about this topic.
Thank you but I'll stick with Ergen stuff right now and try to tough it out. If I find something difficult to understand or grasp, I have you guys to help me out but I will still read Coiling Dragon as well if time allows it (which it better).
I'm saying this for your sake. Er Gen stuff, to be truly enjoyed, must be read with the right mindset. If you're half "gotta though it through" it's half the experience wasted. Which in turn means you'd have enjoyed it 2 times more if you followed the above :/.
Which is why I really reccomend smthing closer to Western but still easter like Coiling Dragon, then Er Gen my friend.
I'm saying this with Er Gen being my favorite Xianxia author, so you can imagine it's only for your sake I'm saying this :/.
If you're sadly impatient I guess you can begin reading Ri, but it's a shame.....:(
I will say that I'm a bit iffy on the Beastheads being 3A.They cried out in pain from Beryl's rifle with just normal bullets and I don't think Dante ever had real trouble against the Beastheads by themselves.
A quick incomplete list of some abilities it should have
Weather Manipulation for creating storms and altering weather.
Large Size though I don't know what type, they have repeated statements of covering the sky with their size and when know that just it's mouth is larger than a human so Type 2 possibly Type 3.
Flight, it flies.
Fate Manipulation (Gives the user amazing luck and the more the user believes in the Beastheads' power, the stronger the luck is which leads to the Beastheads manipulating reality to benefit the user)
Precognition (Gives the user the ability to see accurate future events and also does the opposite by allowing the user to past events throughout history)
Soul Manipulation (part of the transmutation process)
Unknown intelligence due to being a statue necklace
The page looks great so far.I will give more input when I'm less busy tomorrow.
Demon Form might not be 3-A, I agree, but the Statue Form, when having a host, should be. Dante was serious and even angry when he was fighting Chenheads (Chen as host for the Beastheads lol), if he wasn't near 3-A, Dante could just one shot him and leave. Chenheads could also injure Dante's arm in the fight
Chenheads is most definitely 3A since he has a statement of being stronger than base Dante.Ducheads would probably be the same tier as the Beastheads with an “At Least” since he only gave Dante a tiny amount of trouble.Chen has special reasons for his tier that is implied to be because he artificially modified himself to be part demon and his mindset also seemed to play a role in why he was so strong. Will give more details later
Also, about the resistances from the Demons to the Beastheads, you said that they are wrong right ? Can you explain ? I'm making a CRT about them and a Top Most Powerful Characters / Complete Scalling Chain
I believe the resistence that are wrong is BFR , Precongnition and the Space-Time Manipulation.
When the "Demons are generally immune to the Beastheads effects" line was stated it wasn't talking about the Beastheads Demon Form's abilities, it talking about the Statue Form's assimilation and demons being immune to the Beastheads assimilation which is Soul manipulation, Transmutation,Petrification,Reality Warping.Though Dante is likely still resistent to Precognition for fighting Ducas and Chen who can see Dante's attacks before Dante knew he would make them and a serious Dante essentially one-shotted Chen who was about to land a killing blow on Dante after telling Dante his attacks were meaningless because he knows of them before Dante makes them.And Dante obviously has Space-Time manipulation resistence from other things besides the Beastheads so that stays.
One thing I was thinking about adding is Resistance to Size Manipulation for all demons as well since the assimilation process turns the person into a necklace size statue too but I don't know if that's included in Transmutation already
We also have many examples in the series that contradicts those Resistances (BFR and etc)
So the new one should be : Resistance to Soul Manipulation (already added), Transmutation, Petrification, Reality Warping and Size Manipulation (Demons are stated to be immune to The Beastheads assimilation process)
You need to put as many abilities as possible so people who doesn't know the series don't make any mistake in Vs Battle threads
Also Resistance to Precognition for his DMC2 Key for fighting Ducas and Chen
Dante should probably get resistance to possession and those who merged with the Beastheads were to get a profile they would get possession.It may seeem like I'm leaving out context in the screen shot but believe me I'm not, it's just that confusing and if you want to see for yourself go to page 94 and read the entire interaction.From what I can tell Ducas created a shockwave frome his body that was meant to possess Dante and Dante recognized what was happening a told him possession doesn't work on him.
I think it's safe for DMC 3 Dante to have resistance to Possession since Dante is pretty confident that even as a kid it wouldn't work on him.I'll post links for precog when I can, I'm having weather issues.
Other than the things I mentioned earlier like Aura and what not, I don't have much for the Beastheads themselves that I can think of for right now.The only things I know about now are for assimilated Ducas and Chen and they have stuff that wouldn't be given to either form of the Beastheads.
Basically.It's described as "oppressive", "almost tangible" , smells like sulfur and ozone and produces the same feeling of dread and fear that a human being in the Demon World would feel.It's the same black aura that Chen and Ducas had.It also seems to be tied to the weather because it died down as soon as the weather began returning to normal so it's range is like the same as the weather manipulation.
Hey, thanks for having an OP with actual links and succinct points and stuff! Anyway, I hope I was helpful. Even with my history of being the guy who passed 3-A to begin with and getting the cold shoulder when people waited six months for me to take leave before tearing it down as soon as I went out the door,I don't really have much investment in any fandom site's whatever. But I do enjoy trying out these debate skills I picked up in other circles; seemed to have worked well, since I reduced the opposition to just one major voice (and a few of those "reasons above" types lol) attacking strawmen and insisting we use his scattershot of improbable interpretations instead of a simple, apparent, consistent explanation.
But the thing is, you do know the users of the site aren't familliar with the laws of logic and such, right? You might find someone who can identitfy a fallacy if you're lucky -- we weren't -- but I think people are so used to having their overconfident gurus feed them blandly apparent exposition to know how to use reasoning to come to a conclusion, especially in a case as complex as this. Do you think the issue worth pushing any further? I mean, we could continue to call out fallacies and such, but you saw how Matt was blatantly ignoring my points in favor of grilling smaller fish to look tough and bury the best posts of the threead. Psychology/presentation is at least half the debate, and you know how people like their status quos.
So anyway, I guess I could lend a hand if my schedule and internet connection can accomidate me, but I'd like to hear if you think it'd be worth the trouble. I'm interested to see if this sort of puzzle can be solved, but dealing with poisoned well and faulty methodology isn't very fun, especially when others are acting as if their worldview's at stake.
I don't think it should be pursued anymore even if logic, reason and lore lines up it doesn't matter unless they have a statement.I wouldn't worry about this anymore especially with your circumstances I don't want you to be bothered by these meaningless by comparison hobby work just for all your hardwork to get turned down.
But if you wish to pursue it, I would try to contact Bingo Morihashi or Itsuno for feat related stuff since they both were around since the time of DMC2, Bingo is the writer for most DMC material and he answers some questions related to DMC's plot.
Aaaaaand the gun got jumped by someone else within a teo-minute timeframe of your response. But I'm going to try to get someone to get some confirmation first. It'd be good if we hurried up and got that done before someone went and asked manipulative questions.
"His words were cut off as if yanked out of time and space. Strange energy ripped through Dante. He felt his body stretching, falling. Falling forever into a black voice. And that's when he realized what was happening.He and Beryl were dropping into the mouth of the Beastheads.Falling, but to a world that has taken another path." Another quote unrelated but neat
"Occasionally she would catch an intuitive flash. Somehow she knew that Dante was out there in the void, fighting the King of the Underworld himself in a desperate battle. Waves of power radiated from the coagulated darkness...Dante and Mundus clashing for the first time-in this world"
"Rebellion roared through the darkness, stabbing at the void. It had taken Dante a moment to realize that the void wasn't empty. The void was the king himself. Somehow he knew how to fight it, slashing at the darkness and instinctively avoiding attack."
"The void convulsed, even as Mundus hurled all manner of death at Dante from innumerable arms formed from the darkness. Swords, arrows, and lightning clattered through the silver-haired warrior."\
"Attacking Mundus in his own keep had proven a masterstroke. The creature could scarcely comprehend the assault. His supremacy was supposed to be absolute; the sole ruler of creation for timeless eternity. Yet here was an arrogant trespasser-human no less-who had power equal to his own."
"The void shuddered, heaved...and finally exploded"
^some quotes from it regarding Dante vs alt Mundus
What I posted above and the Beasthead's shaking the world are the only thing regarding shaking any type of space and we don't know the size of Void Mundus.On the topic of the Demon World being infinite, this is just backed up by enemy files and game descriptions of the Demon World.But if you want to check out something skim through the novels yourself,the beastheads are something of interest to you it seems:https://originaldmc.github.io/DivinityStatue/Downloads.html
Here a some quick evidence for infinite in size Demon World:
According to the DMC 2 guidebook, the guidepost for hunter chapter 11 clause 7 states that just the approach of the Demon World warped the city into "circles fo infinite confusion" and "infinite circles" and fucked time.
Devil May Cry, Enemy File — Sargasso: "They hide between the edges of the sea and the Underworld. They wait for stray wanderers and feast on them. The spirits of the victims are destined to wander the endless sea of the Underworld."
"The world was born from darkness. Unending darkness. A crucible of chaos. But even to that primordial existence there came a ray of light. The universe was eventually split in two. The darkness became the realm of demons... and the light became the domain of mortals. The two worlds existed together for what seemed like an eternity. But one day the lord of the dark world said... "These realms were once united, so why not rule them as one?" From that era forward, the dark fought to control the light, and the light struggled to defy the dark." -DMC3 manga