Ah sorry, I'm more of a Supporter than I am an Expert. I enjoy the Nasuverse as entertainment, but in terms of vs debating I'm not the best person to ask. Even if I was, my focus is mostly FGO, not Extra.
On second thought, after reading over the thread, the arguments are laid out pretty clearly and accurately. I think this CRT should be okay to pass. To clarify, it's infinite speed, not immeasurable right?
It was from the previous CRT that you linked before, but we hadn't come to a conclusion on how to properly add it. Here's a basic summary of the reasoning:
Yeah. It's stated in the novel that he has countrol over the reflection of rebounding forces (only upon physical contact though) and that, theoretically, this lets him rebound the others energy into themselves to break through their guard and hurt them due to abusing their own rebounding forces against him. In NT22 it's clearly stated that he accepted the rebounding force of his blow back into him rather than allowing it to reflect off him into Coronzon.
It doesn't mean he's gonna be punching out High 1-C people because hax-lords but it's just basically a form of durabiltiy negation that scales to who he is fighting. It boils down to basically:
Cause and effect, except accelerator reflects the effect back into them at 2x which surpasses their durability.
Lifting Strength is based off of how much WEIGHT a character can lift, right? That applies pressure onto his vector shield, and therefore would be reflected. The reason why his Attack Potency doesn't go that high is because Accelerator can't consistently perform that high. It scales to how durable the enemy is.
If we placed his AP at universal, it would be extremely misleading to those reading his profile, and might result in terrible matchups. In fact, it's the same reason why his durability is higher than his AP. His AP can only be as strong as what vectors are available to reflect. If they are not there, it will not be possible to attack on that level. It says "varies" for a reason.
If the issue is with striking strength, I can always omit the universal part and replace it with "likely far higher" instead. Regardless, lifting strength would remain unaffected because weight is a vector.
And just because the two of them are the experts that you've interacted with the most doesnt mean that other experts don't exist. Seniority should not be the end-all, be-all. Schnee One is very knowledgeable and rational as well.
"Internal Spell/Coordinate Attack Immunity: With his newfound knowledge regarding Magic, Accelerator has demonstrated feats of preventing the activation of coordinate-based attacks inside of him along with an internal immunity to spells, as showcased throughout his battles against Elizard's All-Dimensions Severing spell and Nephthys's water-based moisture-draining technique "
this is wrong, he could already reflect internal based coordinated attacks like teleportation and other esper power, from pre head shot
" All prior, can manipulate Vectors from long-range distances without the need for touch, "
he could already control remote vectors post head shoot, it just cost him more calculation power, as he shown in his manga and in ot 19, so it should be moved to post head shoot key like it was before
Lifting Strength: Likely Regular Human, but can reach levels such as Class K (with Vector Control)
this should be updated to infinite or universal lifting strength as he can just reverse the gravity vectors with reflection, or using the same concept of the striking strength scaling as it's literally the same thing
Lifting Strength: Likely Regular Human, but can reach levels such as Universal/ Infinite (with Vector Control and Reflection)
Striking Strength:Human Class, however it can be augmented up to High Complex Multiversal using Vector Control. Will vary depending on the opponent's own durability, via reflecting and multiplying the rebounding forces of his own strikes.
Change it so it's more detailed and can't be misunderstood that eh can do it on his own without existing vectors :
Striking Strength:Human Class, however it can be augmented up to High Complex Multiversal using Vector Control and if existing vectors of that force are near. Will vary depending on the opponent's own durability up to High Complex Multiversal, via reflecting and multiplying the rebounding forces of his own strikes.
You do realize that teleportation involves moving from OUTSIDE the vector shield to inside, right? So even if it's 11th dimensional, it's not exactly "internal attacks". Elizard's severing spell explicitly activates EXACTLY at the coordinates, it doesn't move outside to inside. So no, nothing is wrong. Also, I added that description to the "techniques and abilities" section, not the powers section. So pre and post headshot are both the same.
I don't think that's how his power works. His AIM field is centered around his skin, so touch is needed to control vectors. His feats during the manga and OT19 seem to fall under the "vector slicing" description, where the vectors are gathered in a spot and then sent outwards. Sort of like how he controls air by moving them in a domino effect.
Agreed with Lifting Strength. I'm not sure how I missed that.
As for your last point, it's redundant. Those "existing vectors" you're talking about is the rebounding forces that come from the opponent's durability, so they mean the exact same thing. If the enemy isn't High 1-C, then his striking strength won't be High 1-C either. it's really just common sense.
it requires more calculation tho
and vector slicing is completely different from ot 19
"Some of them tried to shoot with their rifles from behind cover. Some of them tried to use hostages to stop their opponent’s movement. Some of them tried to use dynamite to destroy the columns and bury their opponent in the rubble. These were good actions, except it was all meaningless. Forget about it even having an effect, there was no value in even trying. The bullets didn’t work. As soon they touched the monster’s skin, they were reflected back and shot the terrorists themselves. Taking hostages didn’t work. As soon as they tried to reach for the kids, their wrists were twisted in an unnatural manner. Dynamite didn’t work. As soon as they tried to push the button for it to explode, their fingers were blown away along with the button."
here is vector slicing
"(A vacuum blade? No, was it just the stiletto effect??? Did they gather the weight or other vectors into a razor-thin blade and send that toward me?) "
that makes sense but the way is worded this part: however it can be augmented up to High Complex Multiversal using Vector Control
seems almost like he could do it at will on his own making any attack 1CH even when there is no vector he can take it from, that's why i would add the specification of him needing existing vectors
Yeah but I mean OT19's feats work off of the same principle as vector slicing. By gathering vectors by his AIM Field, and then releasing them from a long-distance. That's how their "wrists were twisted" and "fingers were blown away". Obviously they aren't the same attack, but the mechanisms behind them are the same.
No, the "dependent on the opponent's durability" part is more than enough. It's literally the NEXT sentence after that part. The rebounding forces ARE the existing vectors. It's basic reading skills.
Pre and post have almost the exact same powers. Shouldn't it scale backward? It's not like it's dependent on his knowledge like conceptual manip and magic manip is. That's why post key has "all previous" in it
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