Your first paragraph about Whitelight is spot on, but then why do it so slow? Why impracticality over efficiency? Or likelier, it's that Whitelight was dangerous to them and potent enough that they had to get a scientist (well they're all scientists) to basically turn it into a weapon of theirs.
Not gonna bother. But I have an issue when the only thing I remember from the gas infection feat is literally one memory of a gif and that was it. I can't seem to find the pic on it on the profile and there seems to be a lot of dead end pics that needs updating.
I don’t really know why Prototype 2 Mercer picked that route to achieve his ambition. I’ve recalled that he went with the option of getting all the Whitelight get tainted by his blood, but it never mentioned why he went with that route... Wait, if Whitelight (the supposed cure of Blacklight) got tainted, does it mean that Whitelight wouldn’t have worked in the first place as Mercer is all Blacklight? Heck, why should Mercer bother going through all that when he can do fine continuing with his infection plan without getting Whitelight involved? Damn, even the plot of Prototype 2 isn’t entirely coherent me.
The sheer idiocy of the Prototype 2 plot astounds me sometimes.
Yeah, there’s a lot of dead pics in the Prototype character profiles (most notably Alex Mercer’s), so we’ll probably need to fix that eventually. As for the gas infection feat, I think it was the combination of that scene of Mercer unleashing the gasses in Penn Station (which you probably already know of), the Whitelight gasses, nobody who has ever encountered Mercer who isn’t dead or infected in some way (like the Evolved, Evolved Blackwatch soldiers, James Heller, etc.), and Mercer being able to spread the infection in all forms of transmissions (there’s an statement that explicitly states that he can spread through all forms of transmissions in Prototype 2).
Wait, if he can spread through all transmissions, why hasn’t he gotten the entire world infected already? Damn it Prototype 2...
The tragedy of Alex Mercer the wise... Now back to real talk-
I think Whitelight being tainted like that implies the scientist didn't just have to work with it to figure out the trick, but we also don't know how long it takes so it's a more ambiguous feat because of that time period. And also agreeing so much. Just Jesus... so much potential and this is what happens... What could've have been...
I'll help on what I can when I get the time. And on Penn Station I remember, but I really need to see where it's from. I don't disblelieve it though. Yeah true on that spread infection, no one who crosses Alex that isn't human lives, but none of what James faced got the infection treatment. Heck even James got a lot of time before he got infected. Sure it's cinematic and story focus, but really it's still Alex Mercer's personality to play around. It's kinda why I'm so annoyed at the treatment Cell is getting compared to Alex earlier. Sure guy's an idiot, I think he's dumb, but Alex has his fair share of actual stupidity. He wasn't exactly using his wisdom, knowledge yes, but wisdom not really.
Yeah that's kinda the big anti-feat for me. The only justification I can think of it being all planed by Alex relies too much on my own speculation.
Yeah, guess we’ll never know about the mechanics for sure. All I know is that there was one Evolved who was able to report to Mercer that 99.98% of Whitelight got infected, but Mercer went all angry and unsatisfied by saying it’s “not good enough” (Albert Wesker much? Heck, I could’ve sworn that Mercer’s voice sounds like Wesker’s in that cutscene. XD) and ordered that Evolved to continue tainting all of the Whitelight rather than almost all of it (and threatened that Evolved when they complained about their safety/cover being risked). We don’t know for sure how Whitelight got tainted, but it did anyways, and Mercer ended up controlling all of Whitelight in existence down to the molecular level because of it.
Thanks, your help for replacing the dead pics on the Prototype characters profiles will be appreciated. I guess it could be within Prototype 2 Mercer’s character to play around, but the problem is that I’ve recalled that the Heller bit is the only instance he jobbed around. All of these Blackwatch soldiers and citizens/victims got infected by the Whitelight glasses under Mercer’s plan anyways, the viral gasses Mercer unleashes in Penn Station got that citizen nearby on the bench infected (and started the second viral outbreak right around the Penn station), and all these Evolved that were formerly Blackwatch soldiers also exists...
Eh, Prototype 2 plot sucks balls, so I guess there’s going to be inconsistencies in regards to the events anyways.
Oh they didn't just have to rip Kratos with Heller but also Wesker lol. Funnily always imagined a nice shootout between Wesker and Mercer even if it's unfair for Wesker. Maybe Wesker took over Mercer and that's why he's like that... But yeah in that case I think it's likely that they've been tainting that virus for the longest time and it's about to be released? Not sure. I'm really calling doubts on the molecular part but that's less relevant than the current topic.
No worries. Well it was lucky that James survived so he went with the intention to initially wipe everyone out with a regular attack, not an attack that infects so that already speaks levels of what Alex usually does. So yes the ability of using the gas attack is an attack, but rather than an opener, it's really unfair to say Alex always does it since we've only seen him use it once as an initial strike. It feels like it's saying he's gonna pick the best option all the time.
Yeah but then those inconsistencies are the ones contradicting some of the feats that exist in Prototype 1 that have been speculated. Namely the regen feat that I'm so against of because of Alex's death chances in many methods, and his actual fate to Heller.
Yeah, it would make sense if Wesker is involved, but sadly there are no such crossovers that makes Resident Evil and Prototype canon.
I guess it depends on the situations most of the time (it could vary between whatever Mercer did with Heller, and then him infecting a bunch of people in Penn Station, as well as Whitelight gassing a bunch of Blackwatch soldiers and citizens). If Prototype 2 Mercer were to fight at a large enough distance, I would actually find it unreasonable that Mercer wouldn’t try to gas for convenience’s sake (because the viral gasses has the range and stuff). Sadly, since Prototype 2 is dogturd for their events/plot, it’s probably up to our interpretations at that point for how Prototype 2 Mercer leads his attacks against non-infected enemies (which might vary admittedly).
I mean, if we’re talking about the Prototype gameplay for Alex’s death chances in many methods, the gameplay also makes it that Mercer could get hurt and dies from bullets... But I can see why you disagree with such.
True and it's rather better to avoid anymore speculation on my part anyway. And it would be, but once more yeah, the range thing is an issue. And it's really his lack of tendency or showings to use it except that one time where he initially infected Penn Station (Unless I'm misunderstanding it). Any other times it's basic combat feats, and this would usually be remedied by the fact that you give the other enemy awareness of what Aelx can do. That's why to me I'm really really unsure about it being his opening move when his usual thing is, well you saw how James.
True but then I'd apply the same to Cole or Dante or many other game characters. I mean it less as "He can die to this" but more on the event of the actual cutscene of him dying. But not a biggie, some matches Alex will win even without the gas attacks. It's more when it's against someoneon a level higher that it becomes an issue
Lol. Fans who love Prototype, such as me, were so upset when Prototype got cancelled in favor of CoD. Names like that scattered a lot
Yeah. I mean, Prototype 2 Mercer’s opening move can get a bit weird if we were to include human Heller into the mix, but with how much Prototype 2 sucks balls with giving Mercer the idiot ball and Heller having the greatest plot armour in the Prototype series (Mercer somehow not deciding to kill Heller at the start when Heller first stabbed him, Mercer deciding to not take out Heller when Heller first consumed an Evolved important to Mercer’s plans such as Anton Koenig and prolonging trying to kill Heller until Heller has gotten strong enough, Heller somehow being able to resist Mercer absorbing or manipulating his body because of “lol, Resilient DNA” with no further elaboration in such, etc. And don’t even get me started on how Mercer seems to be so condescendingly disappointed every time you end up getting knocked down as Heller, as if he has expected the better of Heller, or why Mercer didn’t use Musclemass/Armour mode and any of his Devastators outside of what looks to be the crappier version of Groundspike Graveyard), it makes me start to really cringe and try to filter out what I think is inconsistent and PIS XD. But I can understand your uncertainty for the gasses thing due to how crappy the plot and events are in Prototype 2, so I guess it can depend on a case by case basis at times. Given that summing entities/creatures for help and having human civilians around is a thing for SBA in New York (just as long as the said character explicitly has abilities that involves summoning or making use of the population around them), I can see Prototype 2 Mercer notice the civilians around him and try to infect them with the gasses like he did in Penn Station (with the opponent he is pitted up against being gassed as a side effect for just being there) for Versus context in this side. SBA can be weird like that, lol.
I guess it depends on how the cutscenes of how Mercer dies in Prototype 1. I mean, if you’re talking about the game over screen for stuff like when you lose to the Supreme Hunter (which I’ve recalled that the game over screen said that Alex has died), it makes sense because characters like the Supreme Hunter intended to consume Mercer in order to withstand the nuke and such (similarly, I’ve also noticed that failing to stop the nuke on time would lead to giving you the game over screen saying that the city has been destroyed, but not mentioning anything about Alex dying). Though if the game over screen starts saying weird stuff like Alex dies when you die from a bunch of bullets as Alex... Well, I’d just have to ignore that because of how illogical and inconsistent that looks XD. The way Mercer lost to Heller still looks pretty weird to me though (especially compared to the feats we’ve established for Mercer), so I probably just chalk it up to Heller’s plot armour that made it canon for how Mercer lost like that.
Indeed. Guess Craptivision is what I’m going to call that company now. :P
Gonna try to shorten my responses since can't spend as much time here.
Ohhh trust me, everyone hates it usually for that. Everything about the battle and Alex being so different. Isn't it usually the case in SBA that it's a 1v1 situation usually? For me that's already a warning bell. If there's other humans nearby it makes sense if it's P2 Alex. But yeah, what my really big issues is basically a simple thing. If we're going to bring out the best bits of Prototype in the sequel, we're also going to have to accept the bad bits. Like Alex being arrogant enough to treat others lightly because of his own belief that his species is absurdly powerful and such.
No mention, but I think it's safe to assume that, with the fact that Alex was trying to get the GTFO, and my grievances with the nuke, means he was dead. Like I said before speculation is a very disliked thing for big feats. For me the bullet death feat is impossible to apply to both Cole and Alex as it had to be done to weaken them in game and as you said, inconsistency. It's more the regen out of molecules part that irks me. And nah, to me that's just a showing that Prototypes can run out of biomass and doesn't function in the same screenshot for a split second effect that they can regenerate out of ash. It's plot focused to say James can win against Alex, not so much when Alex runs out of biomass and visibly has bones and is trying to regenerate. No regeneration cancelling abilities be damn.
Indeed. Yes, it’s usually a 1v1 in Versus context in this site, but there can be exceptions. In fact, the Standard Battles Assumptions page outright mention that there can be exceptions such as characters being able to summon other beings to fight for them (and making use of the surroundings around them, such as the civilians) as long as it is explicitly listed in the character’s profile (which it is for Alex Mercer’s from what I can recall), thus allowing such exceptions to be accepted in a Versus match. I mean, look at The Thing (John Carpenter)’s matches... Most, if not all, of the matches involved within urban/populated areas has The Thing making use of the surroundings around them to use against their opponents (such as using the human civilians around them in a SBA match to use against their opponents). Yeah, I guess that makes sense, though that probably still doesn’t change Prototype 2 Mercer’s desire to infect all of humanity and replace them anyways (damn it Prototype 2).
Regenerating out of molecules? If you’re talking about the High regeneration of Mercer regenerating from the molecular level, that regeneration rating has long since been debunked ages ago (and I also don’t agree with the molecular-level rating regeneration, as it doesn’t really make sense to me due to contradicting some things in Prototype). If you’re talking about the Mid-High one... Well, I can understand your reasons for disliking Mercer’s vapourisation regeneration, but the CRT you’ve made has ended up with the majority agreeing with Mid-High being kept. Either way, I’ll take Mercer having Mid-High regeneration over him having High regeneration, at least Mid-High for Mercer somewhat makes sense (unlike High for Mercer).
Like I said, I agree, but chances are more often than not SBA is into effect which gets rid of most civilians. Or at least that's what I'm getting from the page. If others are making the setting about civilians then it's fine. Oh and it definitely won't affect Mercer's desire, just his method.
Nah making a more (if not inaccurate) comparison and example. Eh. Things are never always the same. Profiles change all the time. I still feel like Donttalk and the big boss himself should've checked it but ah well, I'm agreeing with that anyway. It's more the frustration I have probably with the new "Oh I can just outlive the opponent" argument that basically makes some debates with Mercer seem silly or confusing.
Still annoyed they had to be shut down though.. Ugh... Maybe I should make an EA character fight Mercer
SBA tends to allow exceptions such as affecting civilians or summoning other beings/entities to help the character against their opponent as long as the said abilities are explicitly listed in their profiles (and not being able to affect civilians for the aforementioned characters would have to be specified by the OP for the location, such as being in a location that is abandoned/empty or in an area that is not inhabitable). Yeah, fair enough for Mercer's method of infection, it probably depends on a case by case basis for a character as vague as Prototype 2 Mercer by then.
Okay. Indeed, profiles change all the time. That's nice to know. And yeah, the outliving opponent argument can be a strange argument to use, but a recent CRT has changed the SBA from "killing the opponent" to "death of the opponent" as a victory condition (which includes differences in lifespan), so... It's probably something you'll have to get used to. On the bright side, as long as there's a character with good enough hax, they usually would not need to worry about lifespan differences.
That's the result of a greedy corporation such as Craptivision. And yeah, I'll look forward to an EA character fighting Mercer, and it'll be a bonus if that EA character is a video game character as well. :D
In the Reinhard vs ainz thread I informed you of the update, I felt it could have come across as rude when that wasn't my intent. I don't want to seem like Im pressuring you to read the updates as soon as they come out.
So in short I aplogize for any rudness, while I am currently very tired I don't like excuses I could have thought through the post better and I should have simply posted in the prototype gen disscussion but I was feeling lazy.
Im glad I didn't overly offend you, and that I am (partially at least) forgiven, now seeing as my fingers are having trouble finding the correct buttons,. im getting off for a bit, have a wonderful day!
I just woke up only to find the thread already closed. You don’t need my help. :P
Also, just to let you know, only the vapourisation (or other mid-high regeneration required stuff probably) requires a couple of hours for Mercer to come back from. Say, if he was reduced to a puddle (or anything that just requires Low-High or below regeneration), it should actually just take seconds via the Supreme Hunter reforming a hand (and then an entire body, most likely at a similar timeframe) in several seconds.
It doesn’t really make any difference in Versus context within a 24 hour incapacitation deadline, but that’s just to let you know.
Also, I’ve seen your arguments involving Mercer’s Low 7-C key not liable for gassing. While it is otherwise pretty logical, I have to say this:
Alex Mercer’s Low 7-C is in fact still liable for gassing.
“Prototype 1 end-game” can range from the end of the Prototype of game to the Prototype comics or even the time when Mercer started the infection (which takes place before the beginning of the Prototype 2 game). Though would still classify as “Prototype 1 end-game” as that takes place when Prototype 1 game ends and before the beginning of Prototype 2.
Plus, we don’t know how strong Mercer got in Prototype 2, and his 7-C key was estimated from consuming several Evolved. Mid-game Heller being comparable or superior to an Evolved would still put him at Low 7-C (which is only superior to baseline Low 7-C), and Pre-Evolved Mercer stomping mid-game Heller would put him at somewhere beyond baseline Low 7-C. It probably still wouldn’t solidly be 7-C key until we get to Mercer consuming 8 Evolved and the scaling from that.
So yeah, Mercer’s Low 7-C key should still like to gas a lot like his 7-C key. It’s only his 8-A (his Prototype 1 early-game) key that he isn’t liable to gas.
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death are you all right? your responses seem a bit more terse/short in the carnage thread? I apologize if this comes across as rude Im just slightly concerned.
I was a bit busy with homework and has been feeling a bit down when I did a test for my University today that I might possibly did bad in, all because I had difficulty connecting to the server that would allow me to even do the test (which took up around half of my test duration, going from 2 hours I’ve started with to just 1 hour to do the test, and rushing as a result). So don’t worry, it isn’t because of you or anyone else in this website, it’s just a problem I’m having in my life right that has gotten me bummed out.
That is perfectly understandable, Im sorry to hear of you difficulties and i hope you feel better soon. i understand how difficult it can be to fight off a wave of depression and i hope it passes for you soon. If you ever wish to complain/vent feel free to abuse my wall!
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