Yeah, I've played em all from the rpg of Part 3 on the SNES to EOH, even imported a japanese copy of EOH when it first released in Japan. HFTF is my favorite gameplay wise of course but EOH is cool for fanservice. ASB is a nice middle ground. GioGio is decent on Phantom Blood for PS2 is meh.
Fucking same, I'd love to get the trophies for it on my playstation account but it got hard killed. I liked playing Shadow Dio/DIO, kinda vanilla but I like how he had his Stand power on top of part 1 powers like ripper eyes still.
Yeah, Over Heaven Dio, not heaven Dio but Dio from the novel called Over Heaven, Araki did art for it where Dio is in basically a glam rock punk outfit, that's my favorite one. Diavolo, Dio and Pol were my top 3. Little known fact about ASB, there's actually aunique line for Kars Vs. Kars matches that is a direct reference and quote from Jorge Joestar.
Pol, Dio, Rohan, Gyro and Weather I liked playing. I liked the Dio/DIO dual heat, shit was cool.
Favorite alt is still glamrock Dio but I like Vol.62 Giorno, Deadman Kira and pimp Kars. And I guess officer Diego.
I got DIO's Over Heaven look in ASB by accident cuz I thought the costume letter was Shadow DIO, ATM I dont have every alt in ASB, but in EOH yes I do. Its more easier unlocking alts in EOH than ASB. I only fixate on the ones I care about TBH. I dont play everyone.
Im not really a fan of vol 62 Giorno, its eyecandy to girls but to me I only use it as a joke or when I asspull random outfits when playing people. .
I'm also surprised people still play ASB / EOH but I mostly see Jotaro, DIO, Giorno, or Bucciarati online... In ASB I saw a Wamuu online which shocked me. IDC bout Wamuu or most of the Pillar Men except maybe Esidisi cuz of his crying and the fact he shares the same VA as Smash Mewtwo, Leorio from HXH, and Japanese dub MCU Iron Man
Rohan players are rare too, glad to see another, but it triggers me how his damaged / stuck animation is a reference to when Kira detonated him with BTD.
Yeah, ASB unlocking is fucking stupid, iirc it's time based as well.
I like it, he's like a Greek God like Giorno, I also like how the statue in op 1 of part 5 is the statue of David in that same pose. I mean, I guess it's eyecandy to chicks but so is most of JoJo, not anymore eyecandy than something like Wham, which has the same god-like statue vibe going on(which is why theyre like that anyway, Araki said he designed them like that to give an ancient and godlike air to em).
I don't play online, at least not anymore (Also EOH's netcode was fucking unplayable, no local kinda killed that game). But I sometimes pick up Fightcade when I'm bored, haven't lately because of the onslaught of games but HFTF has a dedicated playerbase and even a tournament once a week.Well that's trivia I didn't know, that's kinda fucking cool about the va thing.
I mean, to be fair, they didn't have much to draw from given Rohan doesn't usually get put into situations like that where he gets hurt, it's only happened like 3 times in all of JoJo. I still get PTSD flashbacks from Johnny's heat attack tho.
Oh yeah I forgot. Same here, it makes me sad. Most stuck / damaged / falling down / KO'd animations seem to reference something, Bucciarati's stuck animation is a reference to when he was ascending to heaven, when Kira falls down he falls on his back with his hand out referencing when those thugs humiliated him, and Giorno's KO'd animation seems to reference when he sucked out Purple Haze's poison. I would list all stuck / damaged, etc animation references but its too many.
How bout you? You notice any other attention to detail in ASB / EOH? Or the other games? I also thought that Kars reference you brought up was interesting
Basically everything is a reference to a panel or pose or a moment, in fact I don't think anything isn't a reference. So it's hard to pick out what I've noticed when everything is one.
One thing I always liked though is how in HFTF Pol's ultimate move is Chariot Requiem, mind you this game came out when Part 5 and was being put out as that shit was brand new and it was kinda hidden as well as being entirely focused on Part 3 (Although Part 2 Joseph is a secret character) so a secret part 5 easter egg ultimate as it was happening was cool. The Jorge Joestar line in ASB is also another big brain reference, like that shit is ultra obscure, yet it literally takes a direct line from it and references when Kars meets D4C Kars, it's like a late novel, 3 page scene yet they referenced it directly it's like wot.
Although technically wouldn't be 8-A, it'd be backscaling off it. Because she did take damage from it, although thinking on it, what would that mean for the Stands that can dismember Free and comparable Stands 🤔 I mean yeah Stone Free got hurt but the meteors failed to break the bone or anything, meanwhile fuckers like Whitesnake or King Crimson have or can rip Stone Free's arms off.
But yes it got an evaluation, but it'd pobably be considered an outlier atm. Although 3 of my other calcs got an ok, most proud of the DBM calc, tried real hard to get that one super accurate. Plus I had to learn some shit to do it.
Why would you suggest it? It's already been posted and evaluated. There is no waiting and seeing, I already took care of that like a month ago. The issue is the outlier stance, not that it hasnt been given an ok in the math department.
There's users who want to downgrade JoJo to 9-A let alone upgrade it to 8-A, there was an admin calling outlier on the blog itself, of course it's going to be treated as an outlier if it's just one feat. If we want 8-A JoJo there has to be more 8-A feats, and unfortunately I cant think of any that scale to AP, except for Weather Report but he's already island level in enviromental damage, for feats that havent been given a calc, I can only think of like two building feats (idk maybe higher, latter of the two feats needs to have inverse square law applied so im just guessing atm), there's 8-B feats, two of which have been eval'd and two that need to be redone now that the wiki wide revisions are done on the subject, but neither hit 8-A unless ya wank em (well technically one does hit 8-A, but the issue is that it's a shared feat, thus it must be split so while it's an 8-A feat, the full result doesnt apply to anyone).
JoJo is MFTL because there's a bunch of FTL+ feats that support MFTL, the jump from FTL+ to MFTL isnt even 2x, that's not at all the same as 100x AP jump. As we'd have here. And as said, Jolyne got badly hurt by it, she wouldnt be 8-A in full even if we do use that. THere needs to be more evidence, there's some but not enough.
The only other 8-A feat I can think of comes from Weather Report, and the feat in question is a bit feat compared to his high end shit, which doesnt scale to anybody. There's The Sun's feat but I highly doubt that scales to anything in JoJo, definitely a case of enviromental destruction, not AP.
There's a few feats that I've been looking at but I think all are way to low to even bother calcing, there's two statement feats but neither hit 8-A. I think one is 8-C and one is vague as shit but is probably High 8-C.
Why are you asking if it's been rejected? It says it's accepted in the comments of it.
Kars already 8-A though.
My accepted calcs are that feat, Rohan jumping, Dark Blue Moon creating a whirlpool, Stone Free deflecting meteoroids (while the calc is accepted, that doesnt mean that applying it is accepted, that just means the math checks out) and an OVA speed feat.
Two calcs that need to be redone are the SHA earthquake (at the time earthquake feats were being revised wiki wide thus the calc was scrutinized, now that that is long over, the feat should probably be ok, I'll probably remake the blog though and throw it in an eval thread later) and Kars tanking a explosion, isue with that feat is debate on if it as an explosion or an eruption, personally I think it looks like an explosion and those I've asked said it looks like an explosion but others seem to disagree, I'll probably redo it with two different ends, one an explosion and one an eruption.
There's also Abdul melting shit but that's only baseline High 8-C and there was a bit of controversy but I think the controversy ended given the issue was it not being vapor, yet the anime clearly showing it is indeed vapor.
Oh, there is another 8-B feat in Part 6, but I actually dont like it, seems like it's just accidentally 8-B, like an oversight by the author, so while I calc'd it I haven't actually made a blog with it because I simply dont think the feat is good support for anything.
Edit: Also nice Hisoka pic, dude's my favorite HxH character.
I thought I already posted yesterday, must've not went through. Dont worry about it, I still gotta update both with the verse wide changes (Extrasensory Perception, Aura, Summoning of Stands and Non-Physical Interaction for Stands).
Ill just update Kars and Dio with the speed when I do that, unless that's something you wanna do? idk it is your thread. You could probably hit Efi up or an admin like DarkDragonMedeus to ask politely to unlock the profile to update the speed to At least Hypersonic+ as theyre out of date.
Hi. Do you think Novel Kars' keys are accurate this way? With a bunch of different keys for his stands and a Low 2-C key that isn't actually applicable for combat? Shouldn't he only have one key and have his stands added like other JoJo characters?
Someone unfamiliar with JoJo may think he actually has a combat suitable Low 2-C key which he doesn't, it's only through Universal reset right?
Well unlike the manga version of MIH, the universal reset does in fact kill everyone, there's no surviving it like the canon version, only Kars and Giorno managed to survive the resets and Giorno only did that via having GER negate his death making him temporarily immortal, but at the same time we dont know how strong one has to actually be tosurvive the reset or what hax is in play in the like so it's vague. But we could just do what Enrico Pucci does and just say after the tiering that it's only via universal reset although the reset is actually useful offensively to an extent as well, it just isnt 2-c in offense. D4CU has universal enviromental destruction though on the other hand, it can create universes but that unlike MIH is completely useless in a fight.
We could just reword it a bit better and do what the pucci profile does.
Also for the keys, idk how you'd do it withut it becoming a mess or with out reading bad. It works with one Stand because youcan just the user's stats then use a , then say _______ level with [Stand Name], idk how you'd do that with like 10 different stands and a bound.
That's true (but then again the Stands are explained in the notable attack and technique section) Plus he's supposed to have summoning listed in his abilities for his Stands (hasnt been added because it's locked but it's an accepted thing).
True you have a good point.
Yeah it'd look awful, it'd look something like this.
Country level+ (Can harm Dio Brando with his punches), Country level+ with Das Boot Ultimate (Its missiles could easily destroy Kars' and Dio's body), Varies with Dune Ultimate (Its power depends on the sand amount in Kars' range), Building level+ with The World Ultimate (Comparable to if not above the original The World), Building level+ with Killer Queen, Sheer Heart Attack and Bites the Dust (Is the same Stand from the J-Universe), At least Building level+ with D4C Ultimate (Should be comparable to if not superior to the original Stand from the J-Universe), Country level+ with Whitesnake Ultimate (Damaged Dio), Unknown with C-Moon Ultimate (Comparable to if not above the original C-Moon), Country level+ with Made in Heaven Ultimate Requiem physically, Universe level+ with universal reset (MIHUR makes time accelerate to infinity, which then follows to the end and rebirth of the universe).
All that is one key And that's just for AP, the same would have to be done with speed (gets super fucky with the Stands with multiple speeds like Das Boot having a travel speed, reaction speed and missile speed, all of which are different or his Bound; Dune). And durability too.
I mean you arent wrong but it's literally impossible to word it properly if we word using the wiki standards and jojo profile standards.
I agree with it looking messy but at the end of the day it's the accurate description. Even though it's gonna be long and messed up it will give proper description about how Novel Kars works and we also can get rid of people seeing his profile and thinking he has a bunch of different keys and is physically Low 2-C lol
Also about his speed, some of them are Massively FTL+ and and it says it's the same stand as the original universe but original universe are just Massively FTL not +, is that accurate?
He also still doesn't have several new abilities added like extrasensory perception aura and summoning from the crt iirc you made. He needs them to be added imo if you can get him unlocked
idk, the Stands still need to be listed in the stats like ap, speed, durability, etc. If you mean the tiering thing near the top of the profile? You could just go 6-B by himself, Varies with Stands. The universal reset is apart of a Stand so it'd fall under the varies too.
Dark Blue Moon was given the ok, 18 tons. Kars obscure ass feat was given the ok which is 96 tons. Planet waves was given the ok by at least one calc member and Ant but I dont wanna base scaling off that, that's more of a support then a base.
Gotta get SHA and that one Kars feat done. Though, and that one Abdul feat, which while nowhere near high compared to the others, well at least it's something given one of the most frail characters tanked it.
Chariot190 wrote: Enough to give and figure out proper scaling.
Dark Blue Moon was given the ok, 18 tons. Kars obscure ass feat was given the ok which is 96 tons. Planet waves was given the ok by at least one calc member and Ant but I dont wanna base scaling off that, that's more of a support then a base.
Gotta get SHA and that one Kars feat done. Though, and that one Abdul feat, which while nowhere near high compared to the others, well at least it's something given one of the most frail characters tanked it.
I think it's better you ask someone about the SHA feat first before calculating so there isn't anymore surprises like revisions
Also,what are those Kars feats you are talking about?
What a b o u t, MiH Pucci vs Leviathan? Also the C-Moon fight still could've been interesting since C-Moons Gravity reversal would really fuck with Leviathans main ability which is Hydrokinesis protecting Pucci from the brunt of the damage
Dude, That's a hard agree, they're essentially the same but yeah you're not wrong, Part 4 really does suffer in anime form, I remember liking it alot more when I was reading it. Ironically even though Part 5 is my least favorite part of the series when reading the manga i think the Anime did alot for it and is the coolest animated JoJo part imo
Damn, i just wrote a long message about part 6 but it didn't send.
Basically, what do you think of part 6 in general, how do you think it'll turn out animated, I'm excited to see the last portion with C-Moon and MiH Pucci because they'll look great animated, maybe not the earlier half. I'm excited to see Jolyne and Pucci's theme. How many episodes and or ops do you think there will be? I hope for 3 ops but probably 2,
We'll probably get more than 39 episodes since it's ending off the main timeline. Part 7 will be better animated, atleast the first half with its slow pacing
Part 6 is simutaneously one of the best and worst parts in my opinion.
The characters are great, Jolyne, Pucci and Weather to be exact, Jolyne is the most developed JoJo up to that point, Pucci is top 3 best JoJo villains and Weather has a lot going despite being a side character for 80% of the part.
The plot is good and I like the whole Dio Heaven backstory.
The issue with Part 6 though is the arcs, they're either great or bad, no inbetween. Like, Planet Waves, Underworld, C-Moon, MIH, Green Child, Whitesnake Vs. FF and Jolyne, etc are great.
But then we get yo-yo ma, it's like what the fuck happened.
Like personally I like even the worst of the arcs but even if I like em I can tell some have a clear dip in quality. Although the good shit is indeed good.
For the anime honestly idk, if it's like Part 5 then we may have some promise but with how Part 6 is laid out I'm thinking we may get pacing issues. Because there's a lot of dialouge heavy shit, dialouge heavy things may not be picked up on the manga but when animated it becomes a lot more obvious as the words and lines have to be spoken, and that's slower than reading. A good example of that is the Chimera Ant arc in HxH, that shit's good but the anime is slow becue of dialouge to the point one episode was literally exposition coupled with slow mo footage. I'm gonna like it but idk if the general fanbase will, add onto the confusing ending and we may get controversy, I dont want the popularity of JoJo to take a hit in the west for a controversial ending that half the fanbase simply wont understand.
Episodes? 39-42. Part 6 is basically the same length as Part 4-5, it's a bit longer but if we're lucky it'll have some of the fat trimmed to make it flow better in the aniated format.
Ops? Probably 2, one for the prison part then it'll probably change after Pucci becomes new mon Pucci, so the start of jail house lock. If we lucky though, and we wont be. Op 1 will change at operation savage garden, op 3 will start after jail house lock.
I'm just wondering why part 4 got 3 ops lol. But you're not wrong about the arcs, some of them were kinda boring, although most of the parts have pretty boring or meh stand fights part 6 didn't have the balance. Still though, besides the arcs Part 6 is still my favorite part, Jolyne is my favorite JoJo, and it has one of my 2 favorite endings of the series (other being part 1)
If I were to describe it, I'd say it's the jack of all trades, it's not particularly the best in any aspect (except for the ending) but it doesn't suffer in any of them really badly like other parts do (except arcs, but that was mostly just the prison arc so I don't mind).
Other parts are always just kinda missing something to round them out you know what i mean? Part 6 just felt full and no real loose ends. Plus MiH is arguably the coolest villain stand aside from maybe D4C.
Also fuck anyone who dislikes part 6s ending because Jolyne and the gang didn't win, anime onlys don't deserve rights, although idk why the ending would be confusing, it's pretty straight forward. It's not like the who shot johnny arc or anything. I'm hoping for 40 EPs. And yeah you're right such a shame though. What's your favorite part? You better not say part 5
idk I feel like the supporting cast is a bit meh, mostly Ermes and Anasui, they feel kinda wasted. Which sucks given Ermes was basically fem polnareff and Pol is basically the main character of part 3. Anasui just came in late. Emporio, Weather and F.F are good though, like F.F quite a bit, kinda sucks F.F gets the Fugo treatment despite being unique.
Do agree with Part 6 feeling full, it does give me ending and climax vibes and thefact it ended with Dio things but not in a shove down your throat kinda way is cool.
The thing with not likling Part 6 because the gang didnt win is a issue in of itself, because Jolyne and the crew did win, it's what I meant by half the fanbase not understanding it. Emporio killed Pucci mid reset, the aftermath of that resulted in a world where everything happened the same way but Pucci didnt exist, 1-5 still happened, the only difference is that anything Pucci could of possibly had any effect on in the slightest never happened due to a butterfly effect. Jotaro is still alive, he still fought Dio in 1989, the only difference is that Pucci didnt exist. Jolyne is still Jolyne, in fact unlike the Jolyne clone from before, this Jolyne, Irene, has Jolyne's soul. This aint like before, it's litteraly Jolyne, just one that hadnt met Emporio yet and with a different name as she no longer has to be JoJo, she can be whoever she wants but she still has Jolyne's soul, as Pucci get hard deleted meant she never died and this didnt get replaced.
Part 6 has the best possible ending just about, the good side won hard, it's just confusing as shit and lots misunderstand it, I mean to be fair I did too initially, the only thing is that Jolyne didnt win it, Emporio did. It's like DBZ where Goku comes in takes the win when we both know that Majin Vegeta deserved that win.
Part 7 is pretty good, im pretty mixed when it comes to my scaling with other parts, it ranges between my 4th and 2nd most favorite part. Johnny is well written but i just dislike his goal and demeanor in general.probably my 5th to 3rd favorite jojo.
And yeah Hermes was a bit underused but i dont want her pulling a polnareff and taking away attention from Jolyne. Also most people tend to consider Hermes the main jobro of part 6, but for me it's actually Annasui. Also one of my favorites. And yeah F.F. did get the Fugo treatment but she always sorta felt temporary if you ask me.
Also yes, in the end they won, but what i meant was, the gang didnt win in the usual conventional way like all the other parts.
and yeah Emporio being the one to finally defeat Pucci was kinda dissapointing but atleast the way in which he did it made sense and he wasnt as much of an irritating personality as Hayato.
Idk Part 7 is my favorite, I could go on a huge tangent why but meh. I like his goal and demeanor, he goes from being a self-loathing asshat with murderous tendencies to a somewhat heroic, confident, smug dude who's matured nd stopped being a cocksucker.
Ermes clearly is the jobro, in fact Araki has even said as much but Ermes still felt way to underutilized. Anasui was cool, especially after he leaves the prison. FF felt temporary, but not even half the part is odd, Abbachio lasted longer. If FF died in the final act or just before I could see it but dying a bit before halfway is a bit of a kick in the dick given FF was one of my favorites.
>Emporio being the one to finally defeat Pucci was kinda dissapointing
tbh I actually liked that, Weather is one of the coolest Stands and Jolyne and Weater indirectly set up Pucci's defeat, all Emporio did was land the blow, was basically a teamkill. Plus it goes full circle, bookends are neat.
Eh, Hermes is canonically the JoBro, doesn't mean I have to like the choice, Annasui will always be the true jobro in my eyes. And as for F.F. welp, you said it yourself, she got the Fugo treatment, didnt even last halfway.
Which part has your favorite ending? It's gotta be part 6, theres no way anything tops it so far except maybe part 1 but not imo.
And yeah it was a team kill, but not what I would've liked, but again, I'm not really too bothered because oxygen poisoning is still a smart way to get someone who's zooming too fast like MiH
Cold meme? I think Part 7 had the coolest fight finales with the villain(s) Love Train was awesome, but I actually hated the last bit of the ending, Lucy Steel murking AU Diego put a sour taste in my mouth, which is unfortunate because Lucy Steel was arguably one of if not my favorite character from part 7 also generally just one of the best female characters in the series.
I liked Lucy beating Dio. It makes sense and she didn't even beat him 1v1, she used what she had to available and utilized it an lured Dio into a trap. would've prefered if Johnny won but it makes sense and draws paralels to part 1.
Doesnt give m Part 6 vibes at all, it gives me Part 1+Part 5 vibes. There's definitely some part 6 vibes in part 7 with the religious undertones but the ending not so much. The dies of a cold thing while I get why I still kinda hate it, feels like it undermines Gyro's journey a bit.
Diego beating Johnny is supposed to mirror Part 1 in that Dio ultimately beat Jonathan using the information he had (plus it wasnt fair, Diego kinda cheated, he had prep and intel, if he didnt have intel he wouldve died at several points easy). Lucy didn't just have his head tho, she was shown cutting his head off and was well aware of the sponging effect as she witnessed the entirity of Diego and Hot Pants vs Funny, plus the fact she had his head is a nod to Part 1 Dio being just a head but in a ironic twist, Diego is defeated by having his head destroyed opposed to Dio having his body but not his head destroyed, I think it's neat. Doubly so as Lucy is alternate universe Erina (Don't forget Lucy Steel's og name was Lucy Pendleton, that's some karmic bullshit going on). She even says herself she knew how to kill Dio as she heard Funny and Diego talk about the paradoxing effect.
And it was fair mostly because if he didnt he would've gotten stomped fairly quickly.
And did she? I'm not sure but I remember Lucy being unconscious while that was happening since she was being taken over by the Holy Corpse.
And I'm not mad about the fact that he killed him with paradox, that checks out. It's just she was just there all of a sudden with no build up or anything, not to mention how she even knew it was Diego that came out of the hole. And I meant similar to part 6 in that the main character failed to win so the supporting child character had to come at the last moment
Idk dude, Diego had clear cut advantages, time to plan, had intel he got from Valentine and time several other things. If Diego and Johnny were on equal ground Diego wouldnt have known about Act 4's instakill.
Literally says herself she was and yeah, she didnt lose conscious till Hot Pants died iirc. Which is when the light of love train started happening.
>. It's just she was just there all of a sudden with no build up or anything
Idk it all checks out, she knew it was an alternate Diego because Johnny said he was familiar with the footprints (Plus the whole fact that Dio was still in the race was announced for all to hear by announcers), she (and Steven) both knew of the shelter and where it was located. She according to herself waited at the shelter ahead of time on the off chance Johnny couldnt defeat Diego in order to gimp him. She knew the enemy would go there if they defeated Johnny to put the corpse away. And the reason she was able to get the head and got there first was because she took a train, with the sole intention of getting there before the racers would. It all adds up, it makes sense in hindsight as all the pieces that needed to be in play were in fact in play, it just wasnt blatant. Wouldnt even really say the last moment, In fact when Steven mentions the shelter she is visibly focused and zoomed in on denoting she's paying attention to Steven explaining where the shelter was and that he thinks whoever came from the hole would go and drop the corpse of there.
Fair enough, I get it was trying to draw parallels which is fine but I still feel it was underwhelming after the Love Train arc, tbh I feel like the The World arc shouldve been set somewhere earlier or not included at all imo
Also, last thing, i mentioned this on the diavolo and Taylor vs thread but since the gist of why i made the match was because I wanted to insert Diavolo in Coil's place since their powers and goals are really similar and it would fit thematically, so since I've already done Diavolo vs Taylor what do you think of a possible Coil vs the Passione Gang matchup? Or maybe just Giorno idk. Or what if I just said fuck it and did Coil vs Diavolo
But I'll just link his profile for you now if you want, I'll explain any details about his powers that you have questions on if you need me too to the best of my abilities since worm is long as fuck and I'm a third of the way through
Evalutation thread? The thread where you post calcs and things to get evaluated to be used on profiles. That thread.
I wouldn't realy say its random, you're like one of two users that I actually have often contact with and you like JoJo. Ergo asking for an opinion on if certain feats are done right or have proper context is better than having no second opinion.
I mean, I am a knowledgeable member on JoJo but I'm not an expert like you babe
Besides while it's one of my favorite series I only just started it in March of last year and finished all of part 7 in late July and only recently caught up with the entirety of part 8 a few weeks ago so I've only read through the series once. But I'm flattered you're asking me for an opinion though, sure man send me the calc i dont mind
Are the three main ones, there's also Kars tanking an explosion and SHA's quake but those got controversial, the former for disagreement on if it was an eruption or an explosion (Which I dont really get, if it's an eruption that shit's gonna get even higher yeilds) and SHA because at the time earthquake feats were under heavy scrutiny and revisions (although luckily the accepted qualifications apply to the SHA feat, in that as long as that shit is treated as an actual earthquake in context and extends for kilometers and no just localized in one area, it's fine). There's also abdul's feat but that's only large building.
Anyway for the three feats above, I'd like your opinion on em, is there anything that I couldv'e done better? Did I forget something? Shit like that. Does it check out basically.
Gonna be real with you, Math was never my strong subject and I don't do calcs in general, but if you're asking me if I think it looks like a reasonable deduction from what you provided, then yeah, looks fine to me.
Granted I don't think we'll be getting any 8-A Jolyne (unfortunately) anytime soon, but yeah the math for that looks fine since it was pretty straightforward.
Also were the rocks that hit Kars launching him into space really that big? I remember them being more Volleyball sized, unless I'm missing something and they were 3000+ KG, if they are though then them going mach 40 would definitely be in 8-B.
Whirlpool creation also looks fine,
Take my opinions with a grain of salt I'm just feeling like they would be those tiers.
Also I'm pretty sure the explosion after Joseph managed to get Kars in the volcano was because of the plane, not the volcano, is it not obvious?
>Granted I don't think we'll be getting any 8-A Jolyne (unfortunately) anytime soon, but yeah the math for that looks fine since it was pretty straightforward.
I mean I didn't pick the result, that shit was a accident, tbh im still kinda shocked it got that high. Kinda annoyed that every JoJo feat that manages to get a decently high result are instantly deemed outliers tho, like how many outliers do we need before it aint an outlier? I can understand not wanting to scale Jolyne to it in full because she took some brutal damage from it, but we actually get a zoom in from the damage she took afterwards, which while it tells us she can't scale directly to it, it does give us an idea on who can scale to it. Hint, MIH is one of em for literally fucking goring Stone Free and ripping its arms off.
>Also were the rocks that hit Kars launching him into space really that big?
Only in the manga, in the anime he got hit by some small debris and that was it. In the manga he got hit by some smaller debris then immediatly got hit by big ass chucks of rocks that launched his ass even higher into orbit. It was removed from the anime (which I mean, I guess, it was only two tiny panels that weren't exactly needed to get the point acrss narratively speaking, still sucks they cut it tho although Part 1/2 anime cut a lot of shit), which is why it took me so long to notice that it was even a thing because you'd have to be paying close attention to the manga panels to even notice the chunks hit him.
Ok, whirlpool tbh I really dont see any issue with either, it looks straight forward.
>Also I'm pretty sure the explosion after Joseph managed to get Kars in the volcano was because of the plane, not the volcano, is it not obvious?
Apparently not, there was some blatant disagreement with what it was, even more so as an eruption does happen a few pages after what very clearly looks to be a huge ass explosion and it looks completely different.
Fyi for reference I got the Volcano Explosion to be 8-A and the SHA Quake to be 8-A as well (although the latter was a shared feat, so AP it'd only be 70-80 tons if it's ever accepted).
There's also a 8-B+ MIH calc that is definitely legit in the AP but I actually don't like it, doesn't seem like there's enough to warrant using it for scaling to other characters, or to be precise it seems like a bit of a stretch.
Well i guess most people would call it an outlier because an 8-B+ Jolyne would make for some weird scaling with everyone in part 3 and 6. Would it scale to Stone Free's dura? I feel like calling it an outlier for now would be fine but maybe we can upgrade her ap or tier just a little, maybe High 8-C.
Idk, maybe people are truly rooting for 8-A jojo with the volcano thing? Lol
On a side note, you still haven't told me what you think about the 2-3 possible Coil matchups I proposed, pretty neat.
I ain't saying scale Jolyne to it in full, but there's a 8-B+ feat (Dark Blue Moon), another 8-B/8-A feat (SHA), a 8-A feat (Kars), whatever that was (8-A), that other 8-B+ Kars feat. And then we have canon multipliers that nobody ever talks about like Lisa Lisa being 3x Joseph or Dio being 10x Will Zeppeli, casually.
Oh and I guess a low end casual High 8-C feat that an armorless Chariot took point blank.
Also, idk about Coil and Diavolo, Diavolo having precognition is kinda a hard cut advantage in his favour that'd let him control the outcome of the match. Giorno Vs. Coil idk, does Coil retroactively work? Like can he fuck up, change the past and be fine?
in a way yeah, if I remember correctly he simulates two timelines, but there's no stated time limit, he's simulated entire days and conversations as short as 2 minutes and a coinflip in a few seconds, so yeah, in a way if he fucks up in one timeline he'll just collapse it and choose the one where he made a different decision.
Ergo, in one timeline Diavolo cuts off Trish's hand and steals her from Bruno to kill her, which causes them to fight and for the whole gang to betray him. And in another he waits to meet bruno and talk a little before taking trish and sending him off, and of course when he sees how terribly the first option played out he'll collapse it and stick with the second, of course he can do this for the entire interaction or just small portions of it at a time to make whatever conversation they have go his way
>As for the feats thing, would DBM scale to SP? I don't think they ever traded blows, or it could just be environmental destruction
Star Platinum literally rips its head off while weakened and he's canonically stated to be stronger than it, and every Stand in Part 3-4. The whirlpool aint enviromental because, well, he creates the whirlpool via physical strength, rotates the water by physically spinning his arms. It ain't like Weather who creates things like via magic. Definitely scales to SP.
>And if you mean the SHA earthquake feat then that would only scale to part 8 characters I think? Which is fine, maybe we'll look into that.
Actually, I've been meaning to get into that eventually but Part 8 SHA should be comparable to the og SHA. And if not, Star Platinum is > Soft & Wet anyway, who would scale.
>Also two 8-A Kars feats? Which ones again? If you mean the escape velocity rocks hitting Kars then yeah but that's a durability feat, plus, Isn't Ultimate Lifeform Kars already 8-A?
The explosion/eruption is 8-A and takes place before Kars gets the hamon boost. The escape velocity rocks ain't 8-A, it's just really high 8-B (although it should be of note that Joseph's fucking arm of all things could managed to survive impaling Kars throat, third law and all that).
The multipliers are iffy, is what I would say if we didn't already use the Kars multiplier, the Lisa Lisa being 3x Joseph is wog.
>Also what High 8-C feat? I'm interested to know actually, although that'd just upgrade his dura
Abdul melting a bunch of the ground to sneak attack Pol at the end of their fight. It'd upgrade everything actually, if an armorless Chariot can tank it then anything that can harm Chariot would of course scale, especially those that can harm it with armor. Such as Star Platinum, Cream and King Crimson (for goring Chariot).
I'm pretty sure the "Star Platinum is the strongest and most invincible stand known to man" is more of a general rule of thumb rather than an absolute truth with 0 exceptions so idk, it probably is stronger than 95% percent of part 3-4 stands but I doubt it's absolute.
Also I know we scale AU Diego's The World to DIO's the world but idk if we should scale Part 8 and 4 Killer Queen considering their abilities are actually pretty different in execution. And why would SP be stronger than S&W? I don't remember anything connecting them.
Also "Before he got his hamon boost"? Does that mean UL Kars is only 8-A with Hamon? Because if so, that should be noted on his profile, unless you're referring to something else.
But we could use that wog statement, how high into 8-C does Joseph scale to?
As for the Silver Chariot thing that might work if the calc for High 8-C checks out, in which case we might get High 8-C SP? Hopefully
> "Star Platinum is the strongest and most invincible stand known to man" is more of a general rule of thumb rather than an absolute truth with 0 exceptions so idk, it probably is stronger than 95% percent of part 3-4 stands but I doubt it's absolute.
It's literally stated to be, and I quote The #1 in Power, Speed and Precision, and The strongest Stand in history. Couple that with the fact Star Platinum casually pummled DBM, scared the user shitless and the proceeded to cut it's head in half, eeehhhhh.
>And why would SP be stronger than S&W? I don't remember anything connecting them
Because Hirohiko Araki is a hack, unironically why, may finally get around to making that thread actually, been sitting on it for a month.
>Also "Before he got his hamon boost"? Does that mean UL Kars is only 8-A with Hamon? Because if so, that should be noted on his profile, unless you're referring to something else.
Ultimate Kars being 8-A with Hamon is noted on his profile, Hamon just happens to directly correlate with physical statistics as well. Not really referring to something else, he's 8-A because he's hundreds of times Joseph with Hamon and Hamon amping, who, atm, is 8-C.
>But we could use that wog statement, how high into 8-C does Joseph scale to?
Unquantifialy so depending on what he's being scaled off, and not really how I'd word it. Treating Joseph as 8-C is dubious, what should be done is figure out if any of said Calcs are actually applicable, then go from there. But as it stands, atm he's scaling off a casual Star Platinum who's 1.1 ton atm.
>As for the Silver Chariot thing that might work if the calc for High 8-C checks out, in which case we might get High 8-C SP? Hopefully
Now that's where the issue lies, why's High 8-C more viable than the rest? DBM is definitely a legit feat, Kars' feats are definitely legit too and on the off chance we treat it as an eruption instead, shit's even higher. That Stone Free feat is legit albeit it's more of a case of backscaling given the damage Stone Free did take (although any Stand that's capable of dismembering Stands comparable to Stone Free should scale), and the High 8-C feat is tanked by when of the most fragile characters in the franchise. Also there's a MIH 8-B feat that kinda just, exists, idk if it's scalable to anything tho. There's definitely a bit of inconsistency here but what isn't inconsistent? The existence of lower end feats doesn't invalidate the higher feats, if that was the case DBZ would be like large building for having a million feats on that scale every chapter but only having like 20 planet feats, and like 4 universal feats. The lower things doesnt invalidate the higher end feats, and that's honestly my issue with this general line of thought, hell the outlier page even says that treating a feat as an outlier should be the last possible thing one does and should only be done if there's zero support elsewhere. Sorry if that's a bit of a tangent but I hate the whole outlier mentality, in general, for any verse really, I feel that it's thrown around way to often when it should only be the last possible option.
For that, well, can Diavolo erase the moment he picks a different timeline? Or abuse Epitaph fate hax? Or does he resist fate? Although that sounds a bit broke ass for a Giorno match, unless he somehow instagibs himself by fucking with one of Giorno's animals but eh, doesnt seem that likely if he can see what will happen.
I mean yeah, but that statement doesn't hold up to the test of time and that was still being said up till part 6, so again, I feel like it's just a general rule of thumb that most stands should be compared to SP when talking purely physical stats but stands like RHCP when fully absorbing all of Moriohs electricity might be stronger.
Uh, idk what you mean with the SP and S&W thing
Also I know Hamon correlates with strength but doesn't that kinda gimp UL Kars? Since i don't think it's really ic for him to use Hamon since well, he only used it for irony's sake on Joseph.
And DBM is a legit feat, I guess people are kind of wary of jumping tiers over a minor character, I'm not really qualified to give an end all be all opinion on whether or not we should be upgrading SP to 8-B, make a CRT, and if mostly everyone seems to agree I'll give it my support.
Kars dura feats are viable but idk what we could do there since the only time Joseph tried to attack UL Kars he got his knee melted, unless there's more to them that we could scale then maybe.
As for 8-A Jolyne feat that does seem to be a little too inconsistent to upgrade her fully sadly, but on the other side of the coin yeah, Idk why we have MiH as at least 8-C when he gored the entire part 6 gang in moments, he should be stronger, what 8-B feat for MiH though? That definitely seems like something he should be upgraded for.
As for DBZ, well idk, could be the extra guidebooks or the narration statements or stupidly long scaling chain.
Also for whether or not Diavolo can erase the moment he chooses a different timeline, it's kinda fucky, so, Coil doesn't actually create two entire universes with their own space time when he simulates two possible timeless, but whichever one he chooses w i l l happen exactly as simulated hence his manipulation of fate so whether or not Diavolo can erase it is a theoretical "yes" but whether or not he would know to erase it by looking at epitaph since I'm assuming he can erase it if he tried, I'm leaning towards no. It's not as if his power is obviously affecting the world like Time erasure. Then there's also the fact that Coil can still simulate timelines where Diavolo is erasing time.
But then it's like, Diavolo can erase the moment he chooses a timeline to occur but he's also erasing time in said simulated timelines.
It's like erasing time within the matrix while also doing it outside of the matrix but you don't know the matrix exists in the outside world, but the matrix can become reality via fate.
Idk it just seems fucky how two fatehaxes with the same precog abilities would interact as well.
Also maybe, but what if we gave Giorno previous knowledge? He might stand a chance then since Coil isn't a stand user
>I mean yeah, but that statement doesn't hold up to the test of time and that was still being said up till part 6, so again, I feel like it's just a general rule of thumb that most stands should be compared to SP when talking purely physical stats but stands like RHCP when fully absorbing all of Moriohs electricity might be stronger.
How is it a rule of thumb? I mean it is but for Parts 3/4 It's extremely explicit and it isn't a one time statement. [Here's two unbiased wog statements saying the same thing]. If it was a general rule it wouldn't be so specific as to say things like #1 in power. And that's actually untrue, as of Part 5 it stopped being said in canon. Which tells us something in Part 5 made it so Star Platinum wasnt the strongest Stand anymore, doesnt change the fact SP is all of Part 3/4 tho. Actually speaking of RHCP, I doubt that given RHCP himself said he feared Jotaro's insane power (and that's excluding time stop and speed) and that he doesnt under any circumstances want to even engage Star Platinum in a fight. Add onto that even after absorbing all the eletricity SP was still stated to be the strongest Stand in history, the fact Koichi said that he never seen anything in his life that could withstand a a serious punch from Star Platinum (in which he was there for RHCP's feat, that was in response to SHA's durability in case you're wondering) but then recall that RHCp spents months absorbing power in preparation to engage Jotaro and both he and Josuke had extreme doubts that amount of power would've been enough to take him on. Regardless, Star Platinum is physically stronger than DBM by DBM's users and Jotaro's own statements.
>Uh, idk what you mean with the SP and S&W thing
You may soon, I'll link you the thread if I get around to posting it (ive had that shit in a sticky since like dec. 27th, probably should post it soon).
>Also I know Hamon correlates with strength but doesn't that kinda gimp UL Kars? Since i don't think it's really ic for him to use Hamon since well, he only used it for irony's sake on Joseph.
I mean, it gimps him kinda but not really, his first time using Hamon was in retaliation to Joseph, but after the fact that shit should be fair game in vs matches. And it doesnt really effect his tiering given without using Hamon he tanked a big ass 500+ meter explosion/eruption even before hamon.
>And DBM is a legit feat, I guess people are kind of wary of jumping tiers over a minor character, I'm not really qualified to give an end all be all opinion on whether or not we should be upgrading SP to 8-B, make a CRT, and if mostly everyone seems to agree I'll give it my support.
Well yeah, I'd be extremely dubious on tier jumping if it was just him, it aint though, we're technically discussing 5 different feats atm, not just one and DBM is the lowest of em all (Except abdul), him being a minor character shouldnt change much if it's clear-cut and there's other things to support it.
>Kars dura feats are viable but idk what we could do there since the only time Joseph tried to attack UL Kars he got his knee melted, unless there's more to them that we could scale then maybe.
Kars first feat happened pre-Hamon, ergo basically just normal Kars and the latter feat is scalable directly to Joseph's because his torn off arm survived impact with Kars' neck, third law and all that, would scale to Joseph's durability. And a small but note worthy thing is that Chariot and SP both indirectly scale to Stroheim, via ripping apart Joseph's cybernetic hand.
>As for 8-A Jolyne feat that does seem to be a little too inconsistent to upgrade her fully sadly, but on the other side of the coin yeah, Idk why we have MiH as at least 8-C when he gored the entire part 6 gang in moments, he should be stronger, what 8-B feat for MiH though? That definitely seems like something he should be upgraded for.
It seems inconsistent at first glance but going over the reasons why it'd be inconsistent don't check out. For a few reasons, 1. Stone Free gets stronger as the part progresses (Crazy Diamond explictly does as well, stated by both Josuke and Akira). 2. The anti-statements are outright and blatantly contradicted within the same arc said statements are made (example being Jolyne having trouble with prison bars, but then Stone Free casually, with one move, breaks steel bars to escape outside without any effort, ehll I think Jolyne herself bends steel bars later with a kick, I'll have to check) and Stone Free at the end of the part is directly compared to a incredibly fast but small meteoroid with its full power punches, which is a bit to much of a coincidence imo when not even half the part prior we got a Stand that uses fast but small meteoroids to attack which kinda gives a direct thing to draw a comparison toward. I mean I can definitely see where doubt would come from, tbh I'm a bit iffy on Stone Free being that high too but looking it over most things that suggest otherwise are outright contradicted and seem to be plot contrivences or dont really exist.
>As for DBZ, well idk, could be the extra guidebooks or the narration statements or stupidly long scaling chain.
It aint, in fact we dont use DBZ guidebooks. But it was just an example, my point was the existence of low-end feats doesnt mean the high end feats arent usable. No shounen verse is constantly outputting feats of the highest end, like Goku still get hurts by being punched through a mountain even though we know damn well he's hilariously above even the biggest of planets level and him being hurt by that is just to keep the fight grounded and within the plot constraints as his power was already shown elsewhere so it aint really something that needs to be focused on. I'm using dbz as an example because everyone's seen DBZ, but it goes for basically 90% of verses in general, hell another example is Pokemon, shit makes JoJo's consistency look like, uh, idk Fire Emblem I guess? I know that JoJo aint those verses but I'm talking in general here. Point is JoJo having a lot of building feats doesnt invalidate high end feats especially if more than one exist, claiming outlier is a last resort, not something that should be jumped on right away because it's a big number, in general (given I've seen that said like 10+ times in the past month while looking at various calcs done on this site.)
As for Coil, just make Coil Vs. Diavolo, it looks to me like there's probably enough going on for there to at least be some discussion in it, I'll follow it and chime in. idk if prior info giorno is enough though if Coil can basically go lol no for the timelines where Giorno does make use of that info and picks the timeline where Giorno is stupid. But eh, ya could do a test thread on it and see what others think.
Yeah but in part 6 im pretty sure SP was stillbeing called the most invisible stand for its power and time stop which obviously is wrong, ignoring the coming CRT feats, the wog statements seem more like a way to emphasize SP's overwhelming strength and its position in the parts, RHCP stomped CD pretty hard so unless CD is no match for SP or something i feel like RHCP is atleast as strong as SP, and Akira's statement was pre morioh electricity absorbed rhcp I'm pretty sure, again, this is just my take, I don't think wog statements will get you your 8-B SP, if you're looking for my opinion then the feats hold water and id like to see them in a CRT but Im not any real jojo authority to say yes change tiers or no don't.
Also SP looks like he's stronger than DBM, if youve gotten his calc accepted then I feel I'm mostly in agreement to scale SP to DBM if others think it's a fair judgment to make.
As for the UL kars thing it would effect his ap tiering when not using ham on, the explosion on the volcano is a durability feat mostly
Also for the Joseph's dura due to his hand I'm kinda eh, mean, all the rocks that hit him at mach speeds launching him into orbit also mostly survived collision with his body, I feel like the joseph hand thing was just for plots sake more than anything, idk if I wanna upgrade Joseph dura to like 8-A for his lopped off hand stabbing Kars during a bullshit Joseph moment.
Also the stroheim scaling via Old Josephs cyborg hand uh idk, I'm pretty sure the speedwagon foundation made it not Stroheim, his robot hand during part 3 at least
As for the inconsistent 8-A Jolyne, idk it's possible she was getting stronger as time went by, it's been a hot minute since last read it, although it's also possible that she just miscalculated her own stands strength similar to how Josuke said his stand was close to 300km per hour when obviously it's not and he was just making a guess, not like Jolyne ever tried to break the door to her cell until she did.
And for her stand statements sure, might help but I still feel you'll be hardpressed to get people to agree with 8-A Jolyne or 8-B+ Jolyne. Although, this might make for a good AP upgrade to the planet waves guy.
As for the scaling thing, mostly I'm just hesitant to go for 8-B+ to 8-A Jolyne and other stand users because it would effect the scaling big time since mostly everyone scales off of Star Platinum in one way or another, like for example, let's say we do get 8-A Jolyne, cool,but that means SP scales to SF obviously, and The World scales to SP, AU Diego Brando scales to og The World who scales to Tusk Act 4 who scales to D4C who scales to Original Diego Brando and so now we have 8-A D4C and Diego Brando, and come on, D4C isnt 8-A . That's just how I feel, maybe your CRT will pass and we will return to 8-B+ JoJo, if so cool, it just feels like a pain you know what I mean? Essentially changing the entire series tier
Also for the Coil thing, I do want to and will make Coil vs Diavolo, the question is just, how, because I for one hate using SBA, but Coil is only 9-C so while he can take down Diavolo on his own he'll just get donuted immediately, which forces my hand into making custom battle assumptions, but I'm not knowledgeable enough on Worm to know what I should make them.
Also Giorno wouldn't act stupid in any of the simulated timelines, when Coil simulates two separate realities, he has to be the one actively making decisions and changes to the surroundings to make full use of what are essentially his retries for every aspect of his life, otherwise if he did nothing different then both timelines would be essentially the same, not entirely but mostly. For example imagine you had to relive today again tomorrow, and instead of doing anything different you did the same exact thing and flipped a coin at 5 PM and got heads and did nothing else and you relived said day again and did the same thing, but again you flipped a coin at 5 PM but this time, instead of getting heads you got tails despite doing the same thing you did the day before. Essentially how his power works, mostly he has to actively do different things himself in order to get good use out of it otherwise it's not that useful, but he can still use it to cheat odds when things come down to luck and probability
For example, when showing off his power to his subordinate supervillain teams he flips 10 different quarters to his subordinates consecutively and manages to land heads each time, and even when Taylor pulls out her own quarter to flip which he didn't plan for he still managed to use his power to have it land heads.
>Yeah but in part 6 im pretty sure SP was stillbeing called the most invisible stand for its power and time stop which obviously is wrong, ignoring the coming CRT feats,
Incorrect kinda, he was called one of the most invincible stands in history but he wasnt called the strongest, fastest, nor most durable anymore, instead he was simply said to have incredible destructive power and speed and coupled with his time stop, he's basically invincible. Thus it wasn't hyperbole because damn right he's still one of the most powerful. Him being like, 3rd? Aint gonna change that even if GER and maybe King Crimson exist.
>the wog statements seem more like a way to emphasize SP's overwhelming strength and its position in the parts.
It's literally said to be the number 1 in power and strongest Stand known to man, and that's just those two times, there's more elsewhere, there's no possibility or hypotheticality in those statements, shit is blatant as all hell. Yes it's meant to emphasize SP's power, because he's supposed to be the physically strongest Stand in existence at those parts. It's kinda blatant, it's from a non biased omniscient narrator, a 3rd party source, stating factual information regarding the characters while using literal terms.
>RHCP stomped CD pretty hard so unless CD is no match for SP or something i feel like RHCP is atleast as strong as SP, and Akira's statement was pre morioh electricity absorbed rhcp I'm pretty sure, again, this is just my take, I don't think wog statements will get you your 8-B SP, if you're looking for my opinion then the feats hold water and id like to see them in a CRT but Im not any real jojo authority to say yes change tiers or no don't.
Actually I dont know about that dude, Crazy Diamond was overpowered but he managed to block at least 8 punches from it and he took took 3/4 direct blows from RHCP. He was beaten handily, but it aint like he failed to block and defend or was one shot, not to mention Josuke literally got up and walked those full power RHCP punches off seconds later, if I had to compare, it'd be like that time Star Platinum got surprised attacked by an Emerald Splash, except Josuke actually seemed to be in better condition. And yes actually, Josuke himself in that same arc says that Star Platinum is much stronger than Crazy Diamond and RHCP would stand no chance against it, it happened before the max power thing but it confirms that even at that moment, Crazy Diamond pales to Star Platinum. And RHCP, himself, says that he's been absorbing energy from Morioh for nearly two months in prep to fight Star Platinum but aint even certain he could fight him yet. Not withstanding that Akira was stated to be still scared shitless of Jotaro even after his feat (plus the whole fact Koichi seemed to think SP>Literally any Stand he's seen prior, including RHCP at max power and the second wog statement happened after max power RHCP, with Akira being literally pixels next to the quote). Max Power RHCP is stronger than Crazy Diamond and is the second strongest Stand in the part, but it aint stronger than Star Platinum because we got character statements saying otherwise even after the feat, wog statements saying otherwise even after he feat, Akira despite the fact he can just absorb more power like he did prior is still scared shitless of Jotaro and doesnt want to engage him in cqc ever, Koichi basically saying Star Platinum could smash Max Power RHCP's face in, etc.
>As for the UL kars thing it would effect his ap tiering when not using ham on, the explosion on the volcano is a durability feat mostly
The explosion feat backscales to Stroheim and Joseph for being able to hurt him pre-hamon. Being a durability feat effects the characters that can harm, which turns around and backscales to his AP.
>Also for the Joseph's dura due to his hand I'm kinda eh, mean, all the rocks that hit him at mach speeds launching him into orbit also mostly survived collision with his body, I feel like the joseph hand thing was just for plots sake more than anything, idk if I wanna upgrade Joseph dura to like 8-A for his lopped off hand stabbing Kars during a bullshit Joseph moment.
If not that then there's the fact Stroheim's rocket punch gouged his neck too. Also about that, tbh I dont think they did survive the collision, when we see him in space floating some of the chunks seemed to be a tad broken apart.
>Also the stroheim scaling via Old Josephs cyborg hand uh idk, I'm pretty sure the speedwagon foundation made it not Stroheim, his robot hand during part 3 at least
Nope, Joseph at the end of Part 2 said Stroheim made his cybernetic hand, and in Part 3, up to a certain point anyway, it's the exact same hand. It's identical to the original at the end of Part 2 till like half way through.
>As for the inconsistent 8-A Jolyne
I mean she'd have to of miscalculated, her very own statements she herself contradicted chapters later, casually, without any effort, multiple times. Hell forget about Stone Free, she contradicted it as well.
>And for her stand statements sure, might help but I still feel you'll be hardpressed to get people to agree with 8-A Jolyne or 8-B+ Jolyne. Although, this might make for a good AP upgrade to the planet waves guy.
She's literally being scaled off the exact feat I re-calced right now, the fact that it ended up way higher because I calc'd an actual speed for it would be double standards. Add that pretty coincidental small meteorite statement for Stone Free's end of part punches, disregarding it completely would biased as all hell. And if I wanted to upgrade Planet Waves, there's a much better feat to do that, at the end of the fight he summons a meteor that's like the size of Jolyne's head/torso, shit would probably end up at 8-A+/Low 7-C. And that's what I mean, I'd be hardpressed to get users to agree why? There's like 5 feats we discussing atm, it aint just one, if even one is accepted than Stone Free, through some wonky ass scaling would at least backscale from it, but we aint talking one, we talking 5ish.
>As for the scaling thing
I mean, yeah? But it being a pain in the ass doesnt mean much, I just went through every profile like half a month ago adding extrasensory perception from that one crt, only took like a few hours, it was a pain in the ass but eh. And the scaling atm wouldnt change in the slightest, it'd just be pushed up in tiering. Although I actually do feel iffy about scaling Part 4 and 6 to SP, clearly nothing in those parts are physically on par, hell a half dead SP could defeat Kira in only seconds. And Josuke himself says SP is much stronger than him, then wog statements and etc. We could backscale, but the only thing I can see scaling to SP directly is SHA obviously. And Part 6 is the same, honestly without the planet waves and meteor wog statement I would've been against it but eh, I didnt shove meteor feats and statements into the part, that's on Araki not me. Although I wouldn;t say 8-A Jolyne, just 8-B backscaling?
>Also for the Coil thing, I do want to and will make Coil vs Diavolo, the question is just, how, because I for one hate using SBA, but Coil is only 9-C so while he can take down Diavolo on his own he'll just get donuted immediately, which forces my hand into making custom battle assumptions, but I'm not knowledgeable enough on Worm to know what I should make them.
Eh, that makes things dificult, I thought he'd be at least as strong as bugchick. Seems like a huge downside. Does he have any range attacks?
So essentially for Giorno it's a what can he do better not what Giorno wouldnt do? That may work but, uh, you said he's only 9-C atm yeah? How does he actually kill?
Well he is, Taylor and Coil are both 9-C, Taylor just has 9-B dura via her Spider Silk Costume.
And well no, that's the thing, he's just a more or less peak human soldier with Precog and broken Fate Manipulation, so we'd have to again, make custom BAs giving him weapons and maybe prior knowledge? Idk, it's why I'm thinking consulting worm supporters to figure out what to give him.
And as for the Giorno thing, for the most part yeah, not everything that'll change in his favor he has to actively try to make happen (look at my example with the coin flip) but for the general way the fight goes he has to make smart decisions with his dual timelines. And he's only 9-C and he kills by getting a hit or so on Giorno since atm Giorno is only 10-A by himself, which we would probably have Coil compensate for his ap disadvantage with prior knowledge on Gold Experience
Wot, I thought she was building, if not large building.
Well shit, if he cant even harm Diavolo then we got an issue, (well technically speaking Diavolo aint that superhuman, pretty sure he's only baseline superhuman, like mike tyson shit). And even with weapons, King Crimson can kinda just, block em or delete the time in which he gets hit. Like Coil could maybe stalemate but idk if he was a wincondition. What would be his win condition in killing Diavolo? What are a few ways he could kill Diavolo, assuming Diavolo is fighting and haxing back?
>prior knowledge on Gold Experience
Yeah but tbh I dont think that would help that much, given he can't see, sense or pick up on what GE is doing, he can know it exists but he'll never know what it's doing at a given time. Although at least he'd know to avoid punching or stepping on any animals or insects so that's a bonus which would help him not gimp himself. He could maybe like outlast Giorno? Is that a option? Although unfortunately I dont think Giorno has any feats or scaling that would put him above peak human, so that kinda sucks but you're right on the front that would give Coil a wincondition given Giorno is flimsy.
Lol what, what made you think Taylor was up to High 8-C? I thought it was pretty obvious since we were treating Diavolo getting Taylor within range as an immediate death sentence. You should read worm on your offtime if you want. Most powers characters get are just a cool gimmick a random person acquired, 90% percent of powers don't actually effect a persons physical strength or dura.
And he can harm Diavolo, he's only 10-A whilst Coil is 9-C, although that's not too much help with King Crimson around.
As for wincons and general fight things idk, if we're equalizing speed then maybe he can land a killing blow before Diavolo uses KC although Epitaph won't let that happen, thinking about it, you ain't wrong, it might actually be an incon match since Epitaph won't let Cool get close enough to kill but with Coils fate manipulation and dual timelines he simulates I doubt he'll let Diavolo get close enough within range. Maybe if we used Doppio with KC's arms?
And info on GE would mostly be so he knows not to rush in and get his head immediately punched in.
Although idk how one normal human would outlast another normal human lol
Maybe he can kill Giorno by catching him off guard or catching him in an explosion where Gold Experience can't 100% percent protect Giorno?
If I make one of these threads, you'll chime in yes? I'll make it if you promise to help me figure out the Custom Battle Assumptions we'll be setting in place and helping me get some knowledgeable worm members on board with helping too
>Lol what, what made you think Taylor was up to High 8-C? I thought it was pretty obvious since we were treating Diavolo getting Taylor within range as an immediate death sentence. You should read worm on your offtime if you want. Most powers characters get are just a cool gimmick a random person acquired, 90% percent of powers don't actually effect a persons physical strength or dura.
Idk I recall checking her profile awhile back and I thought it said large building. In ap at least but a lot less so in durability, or maybe someone said she was in 8-C, idk. I was treating it as a one shot because King Crimson, could casually bisect 8-C peak Chariot. Also out of the 4 characters I know of one's a fucking star buster and one's a multi-continental mini kaiju, idk dude seems kinda physically op to me.
>Diavolo uses KC although Epitaph won't let that happen
Has Diavolo ever not used King Crimson in a fight? Doppio maybe but Doppio kinda cant use his time hax, which kinda has the whole paralel but similiar power match thing fall apart.
For Giorno being caught in a explosion, if he's anything like Crazy Diamond, he can just body block it, depends on how big the explosion is or how powerful it is, what materials would he get access to? He could in theory create a big ass bomb like Oingo did against Giorno, that shit was massive, although Giorno could probably protect the important parts and heal the parts he couldnt protect, eh, maybe pre Baby Face Giorno? Unless Coil has a method to take out both of Giorno's arms or instakill?
Well regardless, I'll chime in and partake if one gets made. Although for custom SBA, idk maybe treat it kinda like Doppio vs Nero? Or Pol Vs. Diavolo, have it take place in the colo across from each other? Or wherever Coil was fought in his story. In both those fights Pol/Nero had a bit of breathing room initially, would that be enough?
Oh, maybe you could have Doppio vs Coil but he can go into Diavolo if Diavolo decides to take over. That'd give Coil maybe ten seconds to defeat Doppio where he doesnt have time skip if Doppio gets into danger yet doesnt wanna give Diavolo control.
Diavolo can instantly take over Doppio but if Doppio refuses or even tries to go against the take over, it takes Diavolo almost tn seconds to forcfully take Doppio over that's a bit of a disadvantage, although only if Doppio decides to be a asshole and is like nah.
Star buster? You mean Scion? Or who? Also to be fair Leviathan is only multicontinental in dura not ap, and that's mostly because his core has weird space warping aspects that makes it hard to destroy.
Most characters are 9-C if their power doesn't directly relate to a destructive power like shooting laser beams.
No I meant, Coil using a sneak attack wouldn't work because Epitaph would let Diavolo know.
Also that's the thing, idk what to give him, or whether or not to give him prep time, I don't want to like, give him a ton of explosives to spam because that'd be unfair but I also don't want to give him shitty weapons like a handgun and a knife
As for whether coil can instakill Giorno id say probably? Him being a combat trained 9-C soldier compared to Giorno's 10-A should give him the necessary skill to just drive a knife into his skull or snap his neck it's just the GE problem
As for the Custom Battle assumptions those suggestions could work, obviously we cant have them started in their face cause that'd be an instakill for Diavolo, I guess we'll figure that out when I make the thread which will be soon.
Although, I really like that Doppio but can turn into Diavolo suggestion, I might actually go with that.
How about this, I'll make the thread right now and give it a cool flashy name and before we actually debate the fight we'll work out the details in the vs thread and once we've got the kinks worked out I'll write a story to set the scene.
You gotta help me get some knowledgeable worm members on board with helping though, show that this is a good match
Idk about you but I'm feeling really hyped about this match,
It's like a Premier Pay Per View match, we should get this match around, I don't want it to fizzle out quickly after a lot of effort like my WP vs Leviathan thread.
I just want to make cool Worm and JoJo matches to give worm some attention since it's so obscure here and because the powers and abilities are unique in similar ways
Idk about giving prep, to be honest, I dont like matches were one opponent has blatantly advantages the opponent wont get unless it's apart of their entire character like someone who relies on setting traps or devising plans like a detective. Seems a bit onesided, idk if that's the case here though, if it is then go ahead I guess.
>As for whether coil can instakill Giorno id say probably? Him being a combat trained 9-C soldier compared to Giorno's 10-A should give him the necessary skill to just drive a knife into his skull or snap his neck it's just the GE problem
Yeah, but GE is like, never not gonna be a problem. Giorno never once didnt use GE in a fight, hell I think the longest he went without utilizing GE in someway was against Bruno, who kinda just sprung into a fight with giorno, even then Giorno summoned GE first. And entering cqc with a invisible punch ghost that could ragdoll you is a bad idea so idk. Does he have no ranged weaponary? Has he ever used anything in the story? Maybe you could give him things that he used in his canon as standard equipment?
As for the Diavolo starting range, 20m may work, I think that's barely out of the range Diavolo can cover in one skip. (Then again the dude can spam it). But if it's Doppio, you could just do the way it happened against Nero.
I have no idea what Imp is but I recently read through the Jail House Lock arc again while looking at the planet wave shit so idk, hit me up what Imp can do?
A huge pain in the ass when trying to make JoJo vs Worm threads is that a almost all of Worm characters are 9-C or so, which makes most of these matchups a who hits first because most JoJo characters are 8-C
As for what that means idrk, it could just mean that she just doesn't really pay too much attention to the type of bomb she currently has in her hand or doesn't label them too properly so sometimes she's just like "so anyways i started blasting" and chucks random shit. Though that's just what I think it was for, it's been a while since ive read her chapters since Bakuda was only around near the beginning of worm LARPing osama bin laden in Brockton Bay so she wasn't taking it too seriously.
Also I could just arrange for it to take place in Morioh or Brockton Bay or something, so that ways Kira isn't immediately fucked if she chucks a transmutation or time stopping bomb near him or something. Or if you think BTD isnt too necessary I'll just restrict it or use normal Yoshikage Kira
SHA is kinda a huge tipping point, especially because Bakuda lacks extarsensory perception and NPI.
Yeah, that's a bit of a issue though, it basically means who the hell knows what the outcome is, how can we deduce what will happen in the match if not even Bakuda knows what her moves will end with, because some arent a threat to Kira at all while others like time stop on the other hand are a win.
Well, even SBA should work central Park has civilians, Morioh square would also work, civilians, and also a spot you'd expect a bombing to focus on. But BTD is either completely useless in a match, or it's basically a free win as Matured Kira leads with BTD, then he just lets the fate autokill hax play out without dirtying his hands. So idk, up to you. I feel that if he can get BTD off he autowins as he can just piss off completely and be safe while fate hax does its thing, but if he has no civilians to use it on, well he cant exactly use it on himself and using it on his enemy is counterproductive.
Possibly, but I don't think it's super ic for Kira to use SHA on his opponents as an opening move, that might give Bakuda enough time to catch him in a blast strong or hax enough to incap him.
And idk, I could always just make custom equipment for them in the battle assumptions so we aren't flipping a coin on whether or not her bombs would incap Kira, I don't think her superhax bombs are ic opening moves for her either so it won't be an immediate old fashioned who draws faster.
And you're right about BTD, how about using Unmature Kosaku and giving him Stray Cats air bombs? Is that a thing I can do in the battle assumptions? Could a match like that be added to their profiles? These matches are pointless if I can't add them to their profiles to generate free advertisement for worm
Cool, the wiki ate my post. Fuck. I dont wanna write it all again so im just gonna tldr.
SHA is in character, it's debately his most prominent lead actually in unverse given what's said about it and why he adapted it, it's established he hates fighting and will avoid it all costs and use SHA instead unless he's forced into CQC prior. The only reason why he stops using SHA is because Josuke countered it.
You could but it's very important we figure out what she uses, how many she uses, how often she uses certain bombs, what her leads are and if not, when do the bombs in question get used, etc. We know what Kira will do, if at range or against an opponent he doesnt wanna engage he will use SHA and escape someplace safe and wait for SHA to finish the target, if at CQC he will use KQ and Bomb1 (sometimes in tandem with SHA), if he thinks he can get away with it and depending on the opponent or context he may lull the opponent into a false sense of security and stall or trick the opponent with an object or lay a trap (examples include the coin, the doorknob, the jacket, aya, the panties, the wallet, okuyasu off the top of my head) and if he has prep he will use BTD.
I mean, he didnt use Stray Cat prior to matured Kira but he did have it for the sole intention of training it and using it to kill josuke, so I guess you could?
Well hear this, would SHA reliably work on a chick who's main thing is big bombs which emit a fuckton of heat? If the surroundings are set on fire SHA will be thrown off for a good portion of time.
And we know what kind of bombs she can use and has used and she isn't really in short supply which is how she was able to keep up her terrorism campaign for several days straight, as for her hax bombs if she has them on hand, I'd say normally if the opponent looks not too powerful she might do what she did to Taylor and shoot them with a grenade launcher or something, wouldn't open with something more powerful, however if she saw someone like Kira just no sell a grenade launcher to the face id be inclined to say she'll probably be like "oh fuck this guys stronk" and use a transmutation or liquifying bomb etc.
Also so does that mean if I use pre BTD Kira and give him Stray Cats invisible air bubble bombs to use that I can get the match added to their profiles?
Wouldnt matter if Kira just walks away, SHA will eventually get ahold of her eventually, given that even if it tracks the hottest thing in the vincinity, it's well aware of when it does or doesnt hit its target and will continue till it does and Bakuda aint aware that it even exists and may not even pick up on its existence at all in the match. Also a handful of her bombs dont emit heat. I'd also like to point out that SHA's explosions grow exponentially with heat, depending on how hot the blasts are, Bakuda may get caught in the explosion simply because of how hot the blasts are (Koichi had his back torn open by just the afterpressure of a blast caused by a oven), the hotter the thing SHA touches the more potent the explosion, made even worse because Kira's explosions are heavily implied to be invisible as well.
Kira doesnt exactly look strong, that's his whole schtick, and I doubt he'd no sell a grenade launcher to the face, mostly because he'd dodge it first and foremost. But are you absolutely certain that's how she reacts? Do we know for certain? The entire outcome of the match is dependent on how quick she whips out the big guns. If she whips em out before Kira can piss off or get within CQC she wins, if she doesnt whip it out before he gets within CQC, pisses off (or lays a trap, likely not though), he'd win. But Kira has the advantage of having invisible, essentially invincible (in this match at least) punch ghost and bomb tank. Both are one shotting in this match (assuming she'd whip out the big bombs), it's just a matter of who's more likely to land the first hit. Hard to say, match is interesting though.
Yeah, you probably could, he had it prior to becoming mature, he has it. It should be fine.
"Doppio with Epitaph and n o t h i n g e l s e" ie no King Crimson arms, and since the arms change his tiering it should be fine to restrict. It'd just be an old fashioned down and rough fight between them.
Idk, he could just do a Saitama and just fight, just make it a brawl I guess, not like Tattletale is especially good at hth either, granted she's just normal human and Doppio's athletic human so he probably has the strength advantage since she's just a moderately in shape 16 years old girl with pretty great info analysis
So, what's the catch? Because even if you restrict it all except Epitaph, Epitaph would still at least show him exact what Tat would do and even if Tat has info hax, she'd still have to follow Epitaph's vision because fate hax. Assuming the info hax would let Tat know everything about Doppio and Epitaph does, that doesnt actually stop Tat from being a slave to fate. Which is honestly all Doppio has going for him too, without that minor fate hax Epitaph comes with, Epitaph is kinda shitty precog, unless it's the anime.
Idk, we could make the distance like 10 meters or something and give Doppio a Kevlar vest. Also while Epitaph helps it's not passive and if they get into each others face and just make it a street fight I doubt he'd have much time to check I constantly
well, idk as far as I remember I dont think any specific rules says that I can't, it definitely says what I can but nothing points to that i cant, plus we kinda need it so tattletale doesn't just shoot him in the chest or something as soon as the match starts
idk you could restrict the gun, technically that's jumping a tier too.
Yeah, I assumed the info hax'd had that function as well. Issue I see with that is that clashes with Epitaph's vision, as anything that is featured in Epitaph is guranteed to happen and is bound by fate. So even if the info hax says hey Doppio is gonna suckerpunch you, would that help? if Doppio is doing something to counter what he saw in the vision, that means that Tat is forced to do what was done in that vision, unless Tat can go against fate so like?
Kinda wonky dude, how would knowing what not to do interact with the fact you absolutly have to do that thing you know not to do?
Idk lol, that's why i was just considering making this match for shits and giggles,
Girl with info hax vs guy with precog hax
They both pretty much have the same function.
And i guess I could restrict the gun but then it really boils down to a purely physical brawl and
Decently in shape 16 year old girl<Grown Man with a ton of stamina
I could just go ahead and make the match, it's a fairly simple one to set up and I can write something really short for the story. Maybe if I gave Doppio a knife to compensate for her Gun? I feel like epitaph would let him dodge most of her shots
Just saying Doppio aint a grown man, he's the teenage form of Diavolo, although the dude is still strong for his age.
Forgot about his overall huge stamina, issue with dodging though is, speed equal, normally he'd be able to react to a bullet but in speed equal he wouldnt be able to dodge nor would he be able to have King Crimson block it because he dont got his arms. He probably could shrug off a few bullet wounds issue with that is he cant exactly walk off a head shot or a chest shot.
That's why I said give him a Kevlar vest and make the starting distance enough to let tattletale have the option of using her gun but close enough that Doppio can use his precog to mostly get around her shots and close the distance to make it mostly a brawl, plus I'm willing to give him a knife to give him a easy way to kill her in close quarters since she has any easy way to kill him at range if she decides going for a headshot is the way to go with what her info analysis tells her
Which is kinda unfair (given she has a gun and a long range weapon) and makes use of something that he never actually had in verse. Plus a knife aint really comparable to a gun, hence the ol saying dont bring a knife to a gun fight. And if the info hax is as good to the point it's pseudo precog, I doubt she'd enter cqc if she has a gun. Idk dude doesnt seem like both are on equal ground.
Well she can't exactly kill him with her bare hands, even if he let her wail on him his stamina is fucking insane that he can probably just tank it. Unless you wanna give Doppio King Crimson arms but then that's just too much imo.
And her info hax isnt pseudo precog, not passively anyways, she has to focus on what she wants to extrapolate information from, it can be that good but not always since overtaxing it gives her a migraine, and probably not if he ever gets out of sight.
If you want I can make the range shorter, it's not like theyre bloodlusted and Tattletale would immediately 360 no scope him which would give him the chance to precog most of her incoming attacks. Idk why we're even debating the fight here lol.
How about I just make the fight, set up some custom battle assumptions and depending on the feedback that I get from others I'll adjust so it's fair, also maybe see if giving them custom equipment will still make the match eligible to be added
Well youre right in that King Crimson's arms are a bit to much so I wouldnt say give him that. But giving a gun to the opponent is kinda the same, it can one shot if aimed properly and given info hax is versatile and one of the most common applicants of it is deducing trajectory, see Hawkeye, shouldnt be hard and im assuming the info hax would let her know that cqc is a bad idea and because she has a gun, well ya get my point. Plus he cant dodge because speed equal is a thing.
It can be and even if it aint, it should tell her use the gun.
I dont even think bloodlusted is a factor here, it's more like common sense, why would she ever try and fist fight him?
I mean I guess you could, it just seems kinda iffy.
Already looked it up. Baby Face Homunculi is the closest I can think of.
Melone? It's not a bad idea but Vista despite her spacial warrping powers is basically just a 13 year old girl. Not sure what she could do there to an 8-C, maybe if Melone was nearby in sight or something.
Well, to be honest i think the matchup is too good to throw away so I'll make it for the time being, but I will try and find something to give Doppio to make up for her gun if I can't give him like a Kevlar vest or something.
Well, the only other spatial dude is Okuyasu, C-Moon, The Corpse, Heaven Dio, Novel kars, King Crimson but only for ten seconds and only temporarily, The Part 7 Trio, Cream, Green Green Grass of Home, off the top of my head. All of which are way more unfair. There's the green infant but, despite what the prpofile says (its a bit outdated), the dude is fuicking strong, it can rip apart Pucci with its bare hands so that also aint fair.
At least with Baby Face it can be seen (the Stand is invisible but the Homunculi arent, at least I dont think). Baby Face Homunculi being on the weaker end of the scaling and being visible with spatial hax including a long range hax is the closest match I think we got for Vista, with the same type of power at least if we going and aiming for thematics. A lot better than doing Vista Vs. Fucking Cream or Tusk Act 4 anyway.
Is there any characters that Emporio could do? He seems kinda normal and mundane despite some good stamina.
Well not really, we could use his normal key but then he gets beat by mostly everyone we could use WP emporio but then we can only pit him against high tiers and we've got Weather Report vs Leviathan all over again. And we already have a Worm match with Okuyasu vs Ashley and he lost so no, C-Moon might have been a good match but instakill with C-Moon is a no go. Also the Green Green Grass of Home is the green babies stand right? That might make for a cool match but also for a cool mismatch.
It is yeah, but a match with the Green Baby and Vista can go one of two ways
Either Vista's Spacial Warping is enough to more or less resist the effects of Green Green Grass of Home and she (quite literally) stomps, or she doesn't have enough power to resist its effects and she gets erased from existence.
Green Baby, as I stated above is a bit outdated (which is odd given the profile does mention half the feat). Anyway, Green Baby AP is way higher than it's listed as atm, given Pucci rips a bone out of his hand and the green baby is just like nah dude watch this then fucking gores Pucci's arm. It's a slight bit outdated, idk how much that effects that match tho.
My favorite Stand design wise is Chariot Requiem and basic ass Star Platinum. Although Stone Free is a feminine Stand done right in my opinion, I like it's first design quite a bit. KQ and Whitesnake also look really cool. Ability though? Tusk, is probably top 3, time stop was always extremely cool, especially back when I first got into JoJo before it became a common power and gotta admit but HD or Crazy Diamond would be a cool power to have due to general versatility.
Fletchette, idk, looking at it I'm pretty sure Act 3 wins handily but Act 2 she wins handily, seems like a take your pick type of thing. Also didnt know physic manipulation was a thing, thought we just treated that as reality warping, Act 4/Ball Breaker should definitely have that power, pretty sure it even outright says Act 4 can manipulate the law of physics to a extent, I'll have to check.
Probably not by much since his mobility is still ass, though what would that make the greenbaby? Like high end superhuman?
Btw I finished watching part 4 with my dad, it's nice to refresh the memory yeah? I'd say the final few chapters with Yoshikage Kira bites the dust and their fight was better than in the manga, everything else though Manga>Anime although I'm reminded of how cool Killer Queen looks
Star Platinum is pretty good in end of part 3, not so much in later parts. WS was cool but not really that good or interesting.
And warping physics is similar but I guess with reality it let's you control more than just laws though you could probably give Tusk Act 4 Johnny physics manipulation if you want.
Also I think we should hold off on the coil vs davolo for now and build up to it with smaller fights
So far we have
Bakuda vs Yoshikage Kira
Melone vs Vista
Coil vs Giorno
Flechette/Foil vs Johnny
Tattletale vs Doppio
And I can probably redo the Taylor vs Giorno thread since it was a mismatch last time
As for Flechette vs Johnny though, I think that'll take priority for now, it's a fairly simple matchup and I can make it in a jiffy, plus it's another very thematic fight
Two characters with durability negating hax projectiles that also negate abilities
I wouldve respond by now it's just, havent had a bunch of time to properly respond because of other thread traffic.
But... >high end superhuman
Idk apparently Pucci has 8-C durability, so I guess that, idk seems fucked up but then again, the Green Baby is technically DIO reborn. So I guess whathever a baby Dio would be makes sense???
>And warping physics is similar but I guess with reality it let's you control more than just laws though you could probably give Tusk Act 4 Johnny physics manipulation if you want.
I'll still have to check the mang,a havent had time but I will.
>Star Platinum is pretty good in end of part 3, not so much in later parts. WS was cool but not really that good or interesting.
I just like SP a lot, it's a vanilla opinion but oh well, he's cool. Whitesnake I think just looks cool, dude's kinda freaky at some points, also like the time he ripped open a truck to spook FF. Whitesnake in my opinion though is actually kinda op, he' the most versatile main enemy stand.
It's just I put in effort to make my matches thematic and as fair as possible and actually put in effort when making the details for the match, if i just said "here's two characters, they fight, speed equalized, SBA" i could understand but I actually make g o o d matches and they all die, literally most of them it's just you and me, maybe if I'm lucky I'll get Prom and a few other worm supporters to chime in but since I'm making so many matches I don't want to annoy them and spam their walls or anything.
It's probably weird but it's really personal to me that i get this verse out of obscurity since it's really fucking good so far
And I already did list off most of the matchups i have planned for the future. Maybe Myrddin vs Funny Valentine? I also want a match for Gray Boy but all good matchups with him are done.
I know the 2 new threads I made recently with Vista and Imp are probably dead but I want something to add to their profiles, an inconclusive even, just to slowly build up its rep and I don't want to just throw away the matches because I worked hard on them.
Also there's only a few worm supporters and most of them are mods so theyre all busy and if I make too many too soon they might lose interest in them or not have enough time to participate in them at all.
It's just hard you know? This is a one man job atm since no one else really cares about this
Anyways, for the most part we'll talk here but if i need to go on a manic tangent like last night I'll probably just message you on discord mate.
But atm what do you suggest i do? With the current Worm vs JoJo matches I already have set up? At this point most of them have enough discussion and atleast some votes to get the ball rolling to the point to where we can just look for votes to quickly conclude the threads and move on to making a new one since all of them are dead and I don't see them gaining much more traction
Also now that the thread has probably hit grace can you vote now, don't mind what just any contribution is fine. Two Memory manipulators fighting is infinitely more interesting to me than overdone rbwy and jojo matches between characters that don't make that good of a matchup
Not gonna like, the anime kinda sucks, bad pacing. Kai's good though, better pacing, nice ost and way better voice acting (a decade of extra experience will do that), with two exceptions. Manga is good though, really good paneling and sequencing. I like DBZ, not my favorite manga but it's up there for nolstalgia and being a classic (Plus Vegeta and Trunks are kinda awesome, especially Vegeta, great development).
>Also does that mean you usually argue for or against jojo characters? It's 1 AM, am a bit sleepy. And please do, I want results to add.
Both. Usually for though mostly because others tend to argue against or bits of info regarding said character isnt being brought up thus I tend to have t bring it up.
idk I was probably gonna throw an inconclusive as it's basically a 50/50 on who gets hax'd first within the situation at hand.
It's just hard, no one seems to participate in my threads, jojo fans don't, and almost all worm supporters are mods so they're usually busy and don't participate in the threads either, why am I not worthy. I'm more deserving than any of that scum and trash that is half this userbase.
Come on, you gotta admit that a Flechette vs Johnny match sounds good, or bakuda vs kira match. THESE ARE GOOD MATCHES.
Eh, I kinda feel yeah atm. I'm trying to get that Planet Wave calc and DBM calc accepted and the calcers just went aint imma head out, so I kinda feel ya, would be nice to get proper posts on ya things. Although that Kars ke boulder feat was given the ok so that's something. Still I'd like to get DBM accepted given it's been half a fucking year almost.
Bakuda Vs. Kira does sound nice and could go either way, I'm just a bit sus on the weakness listed on the profile, idk how that would play out. Although what about my man Bondrewd? He's 9-A, isnt that a popular tier for Worm? Maybe you could put him against a worm character?
Damn, really? Half a year? Sometimes i really just want to call people assholes and to tell them to just pay attention to the good content I'm putting out and to stop ignoring me.
And you mean Bakuda's weakness? Well it is one but if gave them both custom equipment and or slight previous knowledge it'd probably make it fair, also while they are "the big bombs" they're actually not as once Bakuda was arrested and then killed in the BirdCage, Miss Militia kept and stashed away her Tinker Bombs for future use and shot Bakuda's Timestopping bombs out of a handheld grenade launcher at Leviathan
Also as for Bonshrewd, idk I'm not really good with making matchups for characters with a wall of abilities, hax, and another wall of resistances, maybe someone who's a Stone Wall like The Siberian
And yeah, the chicken place, I'm hungry RN and i want some Popeye's to eat, a 5 piece meal, 2 biscuits, all the fries the can give me, and a big cock
Well DBM, Kars boulder feat and Planet Waves (Maybe?), got accepted.
So that's a start. Only 3 aint good enough though, SHA needs to be accepted, or at least redone and same with Kars big feat.
RHCP's absorbtion may need to be looked at again, idk if it'd end up higher or lower tho in the end.
Also Abdul's feat may need a second look, it ain't 8-B or anything but it is better than what we got now, I got baseline High 8-C off it but still a feat none the less.
When I said big bombs I meant bombs that are actually a threat, not the city level bomb. idk i guess just try and post and see how it plays out, edit it a bit if need be.
His hax while haxxy, is done via one or two attacks, they just inflict a fuckton of potential effects. And his resistances he only has a number of times he can resist, he uses an item to avoid the hax.
I prefer Canes, like the toast there. Popeye has good fries and biscuits though yeah, the chicken I feel is a bit skipped on, could just be my local one tho.
Wait the DBM and Planet Waves feats got accepted? Where? That'll be good since Dargoo and Weakly are trying to get JoJo downgraded to 9-A
Don't know anything about the RHCP thing
And the Avdol feat where his fire burns straight through the ground to polnareff right? Or which one?
And I will, only after I make Flechette vs Johnny when my current threads get at least one or two results, I like this match, their projectiles are imbued with superhax and Flechette was able to harm her verses version of Love Train basically
Also what kind of 2 attacks? And can he selectively choose the effects or are they just a side effect?
And as for his hax resistance does that mean he just has like a gauntlet or something that he uses to shield from abilities?
And what the fuck is a canes, and could be, I've only ever been to two Popeye's but the taste is kinda different in both, could just be shitty staff in one. I'm gonna get some later today, I'll send you a cock (*wink*) pic of my Popeye's.
On the calcs themselves. I said maybe on Planet Waves, one calc member was like fuck if I know if the timeframe is ok and another was like yeah it's fine. Although I'd prefer if we like not, get to trigger happy on making CRT's. Two and maybe a third feat arent enough to make a solid case, mostly because said feats have no cohesive scaling by itself, other than DBM because a weakend Star Platinum > DBM.
RHCP absorbs energy to amp itself, it's listed as 8-B atm but eh.
Yes that one, I got it calc'd at like 2 tons. He also kinda implies he could melt a truck if he wasn't being overwhelmed in the Mariah fight, melting a truck isn't much but I do know melting a normal car comes out to 8-C.
If she's able to harm her love train equal, why we using only Act 2-3?
He profile has infographics on the bottom explaing what his attacks are and what they do. The zoahalic thing aint really usable in a fight though unless he's at his base. Fights with him can just make the victory condition incap and even though he aint technically dead, the main body cant pull a D4C and body hop.
Chicken place like popeyes, they're main thing is season fries, white breaded chicken and texas toast. Ok no homo.
Here's a question, what's your thoughts on using EOH as supplementary material as long as it doesnt contradict the source material in regards to the info given? I say this because despite what many think, Araki actually did direct and supervise EOH's story. Obviously Heaven Dio aint an actual canon thing but things like scaling between characters, extra details on how some abilities work and the like should be fine given Araki directed and supervised it yeah?
Well if it already got more or less the okay than maybe one more definitive yes should give it a pass? Idk i don't really do calcs
As for the Avdol feat thing then yeah, if you can get accepted it'll help defend against the 9-A downgrade which is very suspect
Also I meant Love Train equal in that said character is a Stone Wall like Love Training, just doesn't use probability manipulation to become on, which is why I'm only using Acts 1-3,
As for.the MiA guy I'll check out his infographics and see if anyone has a good variety to match.
Never heard of canes, no homo
As for the EoH thing, idk if kinda depends on how much creative control he really took when involving himself in the story, imo if Araki did involve himself a lot then you could maybe use it to elaborate on some abilities and scaling, although idk how much other people would be willing to do that, especially not peeps like weekly
No it's already accepted and fine. The issue is the whole lol outlier thing.
tbf while I'm fine with the most of the 9-A calcs, the Tarkus recalc I find iffy, the assumption is that Tarkus only cut a bit and the rest fell apart from gravity, which is like ok I can see that but we see the depth of the cut and that shit's as flat and smoother than my floor. If it was gravity and crumbling the zoomout of the cut wouldnt be a completely flat and shiny surface, it'd be jagged and not what looks to be a completely clean cut down to the bottom. So like? Idk but it feels like being purposely lowselling the feat.
Basically he has laser beams, a needle gun that if the needles touch a target inflict hax (on top of being a sharp projectile), and a pet symbiote from marvel (in that he has a goo like tendril thing). The immortality and soul hopping is a issue but is kinda limited in function.
Nah he very clearly had involvement, straight up was a selling point of the game in japan with it being promoted that Araki was doing the story. Honestly it doesnt effect much, all it'd really do is give Star Platinum more concrete hype, even being explicitly shown to be able to overpower things like Sticy Fingers, possible Weather hype (like the only Stand Jotaro deemed a pain in the ass to beat), and funny's paradox probably being existence erasure, about it. At least that's it for things we dont already do.
>So laser beams as in light beams? And do the needles have to penetrate to hax or just make some sort of contact with a person?
A beam of light laser which negates regen and durability but only moves in a straight line and a laser that can change trajectory but doesnt negate regen/durability. Pretty sure it's contact based but the deeper the wound if it does inflict the more permanent and brutal the effects.
I was mostly thinking of using ot for things like supporting or for things that arent fleshed out fully or details that the manga skimmed over like some ability specifics, such as the D4C thing. Dont even think there's any feats in the game anyway.
Also what, so he he uses a laser and a light beam? Or are they the same weapon but one functions as a beam of light and the other functions like a plasma blast that can be controlled? Also can you record that second thing about the needles hax? It was kinda confusing to read, not sure I got what you meant.
He has two light based weapons, one's a lightspeed lasr that goes in a straight line that negates dura and regen.
He has another weapon though that uses a different laser beam which comes from his helmet which can change its trajectory and track foes, kinda like Darkseid's eye beams but that one doesnt have the bonus effects of the first.
If you touch the needles it inflicts the curse of the abyss, which can be the following, in order of not bad to the worse.
Light dizziness and nausea
Heavy nausea, headache and numbness of limbs.
Vertigo combined with visual and auditory hallucinations.
Intense full-body pain, dizziness from pain and varying amounts of internal and external bleeding across the body.
Loss of humanity or death, or very rarely, the Blessing (You basically become a furry), although with the Shakers, the latter good effect cant happen due to how the needles implement the curse.
And finally ??? for the deepest curse.
Touching is probably only the lighter effects but actual breaking of the skin at minimum is a guranteed 3 if i recall and actual damage is the higher end shit.
As for the needles, is this like another Bakuda where he doesnt actually know what he's throwing or what? Like does how much damage or hax he inflicts correlate with how much contact is made with the needle?
And what's "???" And what's loss of humanity? I'm assuming he doesnt control what specific effects the needle inflicts. But at what level of the hax stated above does it cap off at if only contact is made and not hard gay penetration?
Yeah, two laser weapons. The needles and a goo thing, which he honestly doesnt use often, it's always on him and he has used it but it's his least useful thing.
Not really, the needles inflict the curse of the abyss. The curse of the abyss has stages though. He knows what they do and how to inflict the curse on his targets. The severity of the curse inflicted though varies depending on how much contact the needes actually do though (The weapon taht fires the needles is called The Shaker).
Good question, we dont know what ??? is yet. Loss of humanity? You're a human but now you're a immobile crippled vegetable mass of flesh. That's what it means.
Dont know really, his only opponent was a robot who is immune to the curse of the abyss so his needles were useless, we just know that against human opponents (given the bio explicitly points that out), it will inflict the curses and we get a glimpse of it in action, after fighting the robot he decides to go back to his base and incaps the whole cast with the human character getting shallow wounds from it (he wasnt trying to kill her) and almost instantly went into stage 4 (but not quite 5, had some organ melting but didnt die) on top of having a mindtrip and having a full on hallucination. If I had to guess though, it'd cap off at Stage 5 or maybe 6 if it was a direct blow from the needle. Ergo a deep wound would take away humanity or straight up kill even if it otherwise wouldnt.
Dunno, I just dislike midget, small, kid characters who are all "justice! Do the right thing! You're evil scum!" All the time, just rubs me the wrong way, probably why I disliked Hayato, dude was condescending as fuck, like Kira needs to be beaten sure, but more so for your own sake than any justice
Oh, tbh I dont really think Reg is like that? I mean he'll help but he aint going out of his way, he has priorities. He didnt really get super pissed at Bondrewd till he found out about his awful child experimentation, murders, getting subjugated to turtue by him, almost kill by him, having his freinds almost kill by him, is behind his freind's dark past, on top of spoilers.
Basically i just dont like people who put shit in jeapordy or try to unnecesarily save the lost stripper, like yeah she needs help but about a hundred people here need fucking saving, you cant save em all.
also Good Morning Cutie, am sending this from a laptop in English class, got about a half hour of free time to kill
I kinda crashed hard last night, just woke up, a bit busy today but I'll be on later. Also yeah I get you, like some the dude if you can put if you're gonna put like ten others in trouble for one other, well, priorities kinda exist. It's why I'm kinda like meh on Shirou but Archer is badass. Despite being the same dude just with slightly changed morality.
It's kinda why Taylor rubs me the wrong ways a bit sometimes, not to say she's a dislikeable character or anything and I get she's meant to be the most moral of her group but why are you so fixated on saving the little girl with precog Dinah who was kidnapped by Coil, like I get it's messed up but he's not really abusing her in any serious way, just let it go, there's like a hundred kidnapped kids around the ruins and you're fixated on her. idk but I would've just let her stay kidnapped than risk my life trying to save her because I can't save every homeless person starving I see
Idk why people will jump on rwby vs jojo but not mines, like even if you don't know about the series or have never heard of it, I feel that the character profiles are interesting yet simple enough for people to easily give an opinion or a vote on what I know are interesting thematic matches
idk but the touma match is kinda getting annoying, like how many things are gonna be brought up that explicitly contradict his profile? If he's missing that much shit or his profile is that oudated, make a CRT instead of arguing it in the thread.
Why? I'm talking about purely the music btw not the actual opening. If we're talking openings then it's part 5s last few with Diavolo and GER by alot. But going purely off of the music, Great Days and generally all the part 4 OPs were fucking bangers dude. Like come on, Great Days is super fucking catchy with the beginning and that guitar riff
Fuck, now I really wanna make Flechette vs Funny Valentine and Johnny Joestar vs the Siberian to switch up the series antagonists again but making worm vs jojo matches is hard because having an invincible punch ghost really skews the odds, otherwise Flechette vs Funny would be great
Yeah dude, Sometimes ya just wanna sit in the shower and watch youtube for 4 hours. It's normal, trust me.
Well, reading the Sib profile, idk if Johnny can actually win there. She resists Grav/Spatial manip, which is what Tusk Act 4 is and he doesnt have feats to suggest he can interact with nonexistents. Maybe his power negation would help as it forces the target to obey the laws of physics, but he'd still have to hit Sib to induce that.
Probably would give Fletch Vs. Funny to Funny even if love train can be bypassed, he has a lot of other benefits like the probability, transmutation, luck, the fact he only needs to inflict an incredibly small wound to kill due to the wound moving itself to a lethal place, invisible intangible punch ghost and the whole body hopping thing and unlike Johnny, I dont think Fletch's manip is gonna hightail his ass to alternate universes for eternity till he just dies. So while she can bypass Love Train, would still give it to Funny.
Dont know who Red is though.
So imo Funny probably has the advantage in his match and Johnny is at disadvantage.
Also as for the Sib and Jon match that might be true, but idk, I kind of figured Act 3 might allow him to inflict some damage.
Also I'd be using non LT FV vs Flechette because while I think her Physics Manipulation and Ability Negation might get her past Love Trains Dimensional walls there's still the issue of them getting sent away as misfortune anyways like Act 3s nail bullets did. But even without Love Train I'm wary on making that match because invincible punch ghost D4C can probably just body block all of her bolts and or other projectiles. And i don't want DMUA shitting down my throat again for allegedly making biased matches against worm.
So that's why I'm proposing, maybe, The Siberian vs Funny Valentine with Love Train, eh?
My last Funny Valentine thread with Reinhard actually got a lot of steam and I managed to get it added as an incon to their profiles, so maybe this one will have similar luck and I'll finally get Worm that exposure it needs
My bad homie, you're usually on so I thought you ghosted me or something.
Btw a lot of the fanart on the Worm Profiles is meh.
I was looking at worm fanart and the shit on most of their current profiles doesn't really do them justice, especially Taylor.
Also are you sure about Act 3? I figured if Flechette could get past it Act 3 might have a decent chance, if not though i might make one with Act 4.
Also I'm gonna lean on inconclusive because while I think Siberian might get past the dimensional walls, all of her attacks would get sent away by the probability manipulation as misfortune to some guy in africa.
But I don't really think Love Train FV can hurt her either because physical attacks with D4C would be innefective and im pretty sure her high resistance against spatial manipulation and the like would stop her from getting BFRd or Sponged
Here's the super cool Taylor fanart I was talking about though
Well, Worm is a Web Serial, doesn't exactly have any official artwork. All of the current images for their profiles is fanart. So I just don't know why we're using meh fan art when the really good stuff I showed above exists.
Well, she is nonexistent but it's not like you can't go up to her and touch her, it'd just be really weird. He can probably have the bullets "hit" her, but Act 3 wouldn't do anything so maybe act 4 like you said.
And yeah FV can't hurt her she can't either due to misfortune deflection and BAM big incon to add to their profiles and I get good rep for Worm because Siberian has a cool powerset that might incline people to check out where she's from
It do be like that sometimes, wanna get back together then? Honestly at this point I'm just gonna advertise my threads on random peoples walls because I don't even care about input I just want a few votes for one side or the other to go into grace and add them. I seriously want to start on Flechette vs Johnny Joestar
And damn, you gonna get time to play all of them? I just want to get my PS3 fixed which will probably be tomorrow or monday so I can fucking play ASB again, I really really want to play it again so bad, it's such an underrated game when I think that, for any given JoJo fan ASB is probably the best JoJo game out there
Also do you mind possibly giving a vote or even just a bit more input on my Vista vs The Green Baby thread? I honestly don't know if it's a viable match, but I really want to get the match added to their profiles, at the same time though it's been weeks and I've only gotten a single vote, I'm gonna just beg for votes from others so i might as well beg you