Why does Natsu regen negation up to Mid-High? As I recall Zeref's MId-High regeneration comes from his Time Rewind and not from his normal regeneration. Can you answer me if that regen Natsu negation is valid or not? Since Natsu nullifies Zeref's Time and Space Magic he grants him Regen (Mid-High) and not Zeref's regeneration itself, and this only strengthens Natsu's Power Nullification.
Are you busy right now?, I want to ask you a favor, can you delete or at least edit that comment when you quote me in the My Hero Academia thread? I don't think it's a good idea to force someone to watch an important part of the movie to determine if the feat is valid or not.
I'm not even sure what's around Izuku's feet, it can be fire or simply sparks, if it's the later the feat is invalid.
"No matter how u look at it, its the SAME concept! but alrighty then that must mean that u agree that Levy should be just as fast as Acnologia right by yur logic right?"
Except it's not? Like at all. Just because I say AP and Speed do not correlate does not mean everyone and their mother should scale. Rinkmon (Who would be High 6-C) is 98% the Speed of Light, but is far weaker than the likes of RaijinLudomon (High 4-C), yet movement wise is much faster. Rinkmon is also weaker than your average Champion Digimon, but is still faster than they can react. Living proof the AP and Speed do NOT always correlate. Need I mention all the Infinite Speed Rookie Digimon (High 8-C) who blitz the hell out of Mega Digimon (3-C). I am not the only staff member who will tell you this either. Ask the likes of Assalwaffle and others.
"but the reason why everyone is even Massively Hypersonic+ is ONLY b/c of Laxus who is fatser then ALL of Lucy's opponents. Again lets stop derailing the thread"
They are MHS due to Natsu dodging an attack that was accepted as True Lightning. They are scaled to Natsu's speed
Again it was BECAUSE of Laxus! his magic was accepted at real lightning. Also if that the case then 97% of people who r stronger then their opponent in this site should have the same speed right? u keep trying to ignore that fact. I dont watch Digemon but im sure that there r people other digemons stronger then Rinkmon right? so im sure they r also faster then. Again its been shown PLENTY of times that BoS Lucy is NOT comparable to Natsu in the slightest! by that logic then u agree that BoS Lucy should be just as fast as Acnologia right? i give u these examples yet u ignore it. Just how u said "different scalling to different scalling" (even though the concept is the same things) then the same can be the said for Digimon right? that seires is a WHOLE lot different from FT where there r people who r faster then someone but AP weaker then them right? Im sorry i love ya and all but i feel that yur saying this cause u support FT so u just gonna side w/ it no matter what
EDIT: yeah....u do support it so im guessing thats why u dont wanna back down is it?
"Again it was BECAUSE of Laxus! his magic was accepted at real lightning."
Yes, but it's scaling to NATSU'S FEAT yielded these results. Laxus is still faster, Natsu only dodged an attack that was at the speed of lightning.
"Also if that the case then 97% of people who r stronger then their opponent in this site should have the same speed right?"
Er, what? No, not at all. I even stated that Natsu is likely still faster than Lucy. Also this was not my point. You're twisting my words around.
"I dont watch Digemon but im sure that there r people other digemons stronger then Rinkmon right? so im sure they r also faster then."
Very few are 98% the speed of light movement wise, most other Champion Digimon stronger than Rinkmon are in fact slower movement AND reaction-wise. Keramon blitzes all non Dark Area, Angel or tier 2 Digimon. He's only High 8-C compared to High 6-C-3-C. Simple fact of the matter is that this proves my claim that Speed and AP does not correlate. Otherwise every Champion level and above would be Infinite speed. They aren't.
"Again its been shown PLENTY of times that BoS Lucy is NOT comparable to Natsu in the slightest! by that logic then u agree that BoS Lucy should be just as fast as Acnologia right?"
But she has fought MHS+ people before (Angel and Hades). I never said she was comparable to Natsu. He's indeed much stronger than her. And no I do not support her being equal to Acnologia in speed. He has shown to be clearly a much higher degree of MHS+ than her. Just like how Natsu is a much higher degree of MHS+ than Lucy. Also I never stated this, you are assuming my logic leads to that as you are acting like there are no limits to how far one can go with this logic until the likes of inconsistencies and outliers appear.
" i give u these examples yet u ignore it. Just how u said "different scalling to different scalling" (even though the concept is the same things) then the same can be the said for Digimon right?"
I did not ignore them as I addressed your Bulma comparison. And seeing as you do not care about this, the Digimon comparison is just. Not to mention it proves the point I was trying to make.
"that seires is a WHOLE lot different from FT where there r people who r faster then someone but AP weaker then them right?"
Where is it stated in FT that the stronger is always faster? Give me that quote please. Not I have long said that Lucy is not as fast as Natsu, but should not be completely outranked in speed.
"Im sorry i love ya and all but i feel that yur saying this cause u support FT so u just gonna side w/ it no matter what"
Me being a fan of the verse has nothing to do with my stance. That is an ad hominem fallacy as now you are just being fucking rude and accusing me of being biased because I like FT when I have disagreed with Fairy Tail stuff in the past and have gone and downgraded verses I love way more than FT (Soul Calibur, Pokemon and Digimon). Your point here is invalid as now you are making assumptions because I disagree with you. Don't you dare play that "bias card" with me.
"Come back! we both know we aint finished yet!"
It's only been 8 minutes? It takes time to address points.
Again the reason why everyone is Mass. Hypersonic+ is b/cof Laxus and people thought that Lucy was comparable (but shes not) so they made her have the same speed tier and then everyone else tha Lucy fought became that as well. Yes by yur logic that is someone is stronger then someone then only AP counts not speed which is why is said about the 97% things cause of what yur logic is. Im not talking about lightspeed im talking about what u said about AP and speed not corresponding yet again im sure that there r digimons that r stronger then Renkmon but r also faster then it. U just admitted my point and became hypocritical on what youve said from b4....u said again that if SOMEONE is stronger then u it doesnt mean there speed is also increased yet Acno is STRONGER then Lucy but since speed doesnt matter then that means Lucy should be just as fact as him.
Where is it stated in FT that the stronger is always faster? Give me that quote please. Not I have long said that Lucy is not as fast as Natsu, but should not be completely outranked in speed. Im going by YOUR logic here....Natsu was BARELY keeping up w./ Laxus yet u say that shes not fast like Natsu but think that she should still be Mass. hypersonic+....what? how can someone who isnt comparable in the slightest in AP AND speed still have the same speed tier? Leo is comparable but Lucy HERSELF isnt unless u think that Lucy doesnt need to summon her spirits at all and can keep up w/ Natsu/Erza herself. Since u said that me using charctaers from DBS is "different scaling from different scalling" then yes it can also be applied to Digimon since the series is different.
Ill admit that i went a little too far w/ what ive said its just that everytime i go against people in certain series (battle threads) they always root for the person from the seires that they like and when i go on their profile, they support the series hence why they dont try to back down....I do want to apologize for that bows head can u forgive me?
I decided to cut this short seeing as we are going in circles and if I posted what I was going to, this would continue going in circles as we've been saying the same things over and over..
Facts of the matter.
1) Ap =/= Speed. I showed evidence of this. I proved my claim, end of story. This does not mean one can go wild with it to say Lucy scales to Acno or Krillin/Bulma scales to Goku or Konohamaru scales to SO6P Naruto. The likes of outliers and inconsistencies exist. Something you assume I ignore, despite the fact that I clearly do not. You are taking my logic and extrapolating it.
2) You disagree? Give evidence and make a CRT. Simple as that.
3) I never contradicted my claim. I've stated the same things over and over again. All of which is in line with my original point. In which is that AP and Speed do NOT always correlate. Something Staff would agree with me on. You need to go back and read my comments again.
Either way, this is my last comment here as I am tired and am sick of going over this ad nauseam.
I stated the same thing but it appears nothing will change....i made counter arguments that r true yet u try to deny it in a way. I still love ya no matter what and yes i think we should end this since its not bound to end though if i was to make a CRT about it then we would be going at it again
Once again, you keep saying "my counters were true and you ignored and denied it" which I did not. I even gave examples and even stated that Lucy had feats from Angel and Hades. So don't pull the "Denied Card" with me either.
I could easily say the same for you. But you don't see me saying so do you? Why? Because, I know I could possibly be wrong and Lucy gets downgraded. Not going to claim that I am 100% right and everything you say is bullshit. Something you are doing. I accept that you disagree only a CRT can decide.
Dragonmasterxyz wrote: Once again, you keep saying "my counters were true and you ignored and denied it" which I did not. I even gave examples and even stated that Lucy had feats from Angel and Hades. So don't pull the "Denied Card" with me either.
But i already explained it how they even gotten Massively Hypersonic+ though unless u can provde me a link to a clac that has them at that speed tier on their own. I do get what u r trying to say but then u have to look at other ways how stronger inly affects AP and not speed but me and this is a series where that cannot be applied at. Natsu was BARELY keeping up w/ Laxus and even w/ Gajeel's help they were still getting demolished and me and u both know that Lucy HERSELF is NOT strong/faster then Natsu but her spirits r (Leo is the only one that we can say is comparable to Natsu). If Natsu was having a hard time keeping up and we know that Lucy is not as fast as Natsu (which u did say b4) then what makes her Mass. Hypersonic+?
P.S: Natsu gotten Mass. Hypersonic+ cause of Laxus lightning and he could barely keep up and Lucy is weaker/slower (also not comparable) so how could she even be that speed but he herself doesnt even fight but her spirits due? this is also talking about BoS and Post 2nd Origin
Natsu scales from dodging one lightning speed attack. Laxus is much faster than the feat Natsu performed. This was agreed to way back when the calc was made that all Low Tiers should be able to react to Natsu. The feat was due to Laxus' attack. However, Laxus overall is still faster than Natsu's feat. No matter what, Natsu is slower than Laxus, but he still has his own Mach 1300+ feat in which is was agreed long ago to scale to the other characters. Not just me. Remember this is not just BoS Lucy. This is all Pre TS Lucy. Lucy who scales to Angel who scales to other OS members and Hades. I have stated this bit multiple times. Unless you don't think Angel or Hades are MHS+ anymore. This makes her scaling acceptable.
Also Lucy is more than capable of fighting without spirits. She even has her own whip she uses in combat. She also has to react mid battle to be able to summon as well.
Thats cool but most people there apparently were disagreeing from what i was seeing and i know about Laxus being faster then Natsu hence why i kept saying that he was barely catching up this is all about Lucy however. I honestly dont know why she was considered comparable when its only her spirits that are more comparable (Leo) and Natsu wasnt even Low tier he was like upper tier. Again the reason why Natsu even gotten Mach 1300+ is b/c of Laxus lightning (i seen people disagreed that his lightning was real). BoS Lucy IS Pre TS though....and AGAIN the reason why Angel and others scale to it b/c if Lucy is gonna get the speed tier then her opponents who were STRONGR then her would get it as well. There is only 1 speed calc and its from Laxus and no one else.
Lucy Pre TS hardly ever used her rope (like once or twice) and HEAVILY relied on her spirits. Her spirit is the one thats r comparable not Lucy herself
It's not Laxus' calc. It is Natsu's feat, not Laxus'. It required Laxus' lightning to be accepted as True Lightning. However, it is still Natsu's feat as that is the reason it got that high as Natsu is the one who dodged it.. And whether it is Laxus' Lightning does not matter, the fact of the matter is that we all accepted that everyone scaled to said feat at the end of the day. Something you would need to make a CRT for if you want to change.
So you are saying Angel is slower than Natsu? HADES who matched Laxus is slower than Natsu's 1300+ feat? Please. There is this calc and the Erza feat from Post TS. That's all that's needed. And the calc is not from Laxus, it's from Natsu who dodged his lightning. If Natsu didn't dodge, No one would be Mach 1300+. I am getting sick of going in circles here as I already got a headache. I will be blunt Make the thread, or drop it.
i honestly dont know why u keep changing things that ive said...I ALREADY KNOW ITS NATSU FEAT BUT HE GOT THAT FEAT CAUSE OF LAXUS! Angel is NOWHERE EVEN NEAR Hades power that even Laxus was having trouble (though he wouldnt stay down b/c of the heart) and we already established that Natsu > Lucy in terms of everything (except intelligence) and she having trouble w/ Angel alreadr shows that Natsu > Angel. Also stop changing things up! i dont know where u got Hades is slower then Natsu's speed feat! im saying that the reason why everyone gotten Mass. Hypersonic+ b/c of laxus lightning which Natsu dodged yet still had a butt load of trouble and we already know that Base Natsu > Hades so again i dont know where u got that so im guessing yur misunderstanding me
U know what i meant....i pointed out the mistake that u made about Hades was slower then Natsu and giving a fact that Hades is stronger then Natsu. Also how do we even know that Angel is comparable? i already stated that Lucy is alot slower/weaker then Natsu and she had trouble w/ Angel so that says the Natsu > Angel everyone else should be stronger then her and not comparable.
So you are saying Angel is slower than Natsu? HADES who matched Laxus is slower than Natsu's 1300+ feat. This right here was assumed that u said that Angel was comparable to Hades
P.S: why do u ignore me saying how much i care about u?!
Hades was toying w/ them and there was a group of them so how could we truly know where she is? i never said that Angel was fodder all i said was Natsu > Lucy so that means Natsu > Angel which could also mean Lucy <= Angel....again this doesnt prove that shes Mass. Hypersonic+ cause if Lucy has it (which she shouldnt) then Angel who was kicking her butt would also be Mass. Hypersonic+
Alright have a good night man and ill hear from u tomorrow