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A crossover is the placement of two or more characters originating from different continuities/franchises/verses into a single story.
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==Crossovers==
 
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A crossover is the placement of two or more characters originating from different continuities/franchises/verses into a single story.
 
   
 
'''Non-canon crossovers''' do not officially take place within any of the involved continuities. Examples may include Marvel Vs Capcom, Mortal Kombat Vs DC Universe, or the Dragon Ball/One Piece/Toriko special episode. Given the multiple inconsistencies and lack of canonicity to their original source materials, using these crossovers to scale to canon or canon feats to scale to non-canon original characters is forbidden. Exceptions are that original characters may scale to their own feats or feats seen in the crossover. For example, Dark Kahn has a legitimate 2-C feat, but it does not scale to anyone but him.
 
'''Non-canon crossovers''' do not officially take place within any of the involved continuities. Examples may include Marvel Vs Capcom, Mortal Kombat Vs DC Universe, or the Dragon Ball/One Piece/Toriko special episode. Given the multiple inconsistencies and lack of canonicity to their original source materials, using these crossovers to scale to canon or canon feats to scale to non-canon original characters is forbidden. Exceptions are that original characters may scale to their own feats or feats seen in the crossover. For example, Dark Kahn has a legitimate 2-C feat, but it does not scale to anyone but him.
   
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'''Onesided crossovers''' officially take place within one continuity, but not the other. Given that some characters may be parodies of their original counterparts, they could potentially get a seperate profile scaling from the other verse based on their importance to the story.
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'''Onesided crossovers''' officially take place within one continuity, but not the other. Given that some characters may be parodies of their original counterparts, they could potentially get a separate profile scaling from the other verse based on their importance to the story.
   
 
One example is the version of Dante in [[Shin Megami Tensei]], who is based on his [[Devil May Cry (Verse)|Devil May Cry]] counterpart, with the same name and appearance, but a slightly altered story to fit in more with the Shin Megami Tensei verse. However, the character in question may '''not''' be used to scale to the Devil May Cry cast.
 
One example is the version of Dante in [[Shin Megami Tensei]], who is based on his [[Devil May Cry (Verse)|Devil May Cry]] counterpart, with the same name and appearance, but a slightly altered story to fit in more with the Shin Megami Tensei verse. However, the character in question may '''not''' be used to scale to the Devil May Cry cast.
   
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Profiles for crossovers not canon to the main story of one or more of the franchises involved may only be created according to the regulations defined in the [[Alternative Canon and Composite Profiles]] page.
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Profiles for crossovers not canon to the main story of one or more of the franchises involved may only be created according to the regulations defined in the [[Canon]] page.
   
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'''Canon crossovers''' officially take place within both continuities, and as such recurrently happen within a shared universe or feature characters made by the same creators. Examples include Mario Vs Donkey Kong or Dead or Alive/Ninja Gaiden. It is canon to both franchises and feats/scaling may be used if they are consistent.
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'''Canon crossovers''' officially take place within both continuities, and as such recurrently happen within a shared universe or feature characters made by the same creators. Examples include Mario Vs Donkey Kong or Dead or Alive/Ninja Gaiden. It is canon to both franchises and feats/scaling may be used if they are consistent.
   
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We still have to differentiate between characters of different comparative power levels within the verses, and there may be [[Outlier|outliers]] and [[PIS|Plot-Induced Stupidity]], which are rules that still apply to linear canon verses.
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We still have to differentiate between characters of different comparative power levels within the verses, and there may be [[Outlier|outliers]] and [[PIS|Plot-Induced Stupidity]], which are rules that still apply to linear canon verses.
   
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Additionally, the feats seen or taken from the crossover may be consistent to one verse and not the other. There could be impressive feats seen as consistent with the established scale of one franchise, but that lack consistency with the otherwise featless franchise. We should only use scaling that does not contradict the statistics of the franchises, and need to use common sense for case-by-case analysis in addition to this.
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Additionally, the feats seen or taken from the crossover may be consistent to one verse and not the other. There could be impressive feats seen as consistent with the established scale of one franchise, but that lack consistency with the otherwise featless franchise. We should only use scaling that does not contradict the statistics of the franchises, and need to use common sense for case-by-case analysis in addition to this.
   
 
This includes considering the contexts based on the nature or portrayal of the characters. For example, while Final Fight has shown very limited feats, characters such as Mike Haggar, Cody, and Hugo are consistently comparable to various [[Street Fighter]] characters and could scale to their feats.
 
This includes considering the contexts based on the nature or portrayal of the characters. For example, while Final Fight has shown very limited feats, characters such as Mike Haggar, Cody, and Hugo are consistently comparable to various [[Street Fighter]] characters and could scale to their feats.
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'''Other issues to take into account:'''
 
'''Other issues to take into account:'''
   
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Take note that crossovers will often rescale the power levels of the different characters for the sake of writing a more entertaining story. This can happen in both in-canon crossovers such as [[Final Fantasy|Dissidia Final Fantasy]], in which tier 6 and tier 2 characters fought on equal grounds, and in non-canon versions, such as between [[Monkey D. Luffy|Luffy]], [[Goku]] and [[Toriko]]. As such the character appearing in the crossover should only be considered to be as powerful as the original if that isn't beyond the degree of power reasonable for the events in the story or other participants in the crossover.
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Take note that crossovers will often rescale the power levels of the different characters for the sake of writing a more entertaining story. This can happen in both in-canon crossovers such as [[Final Fantasy|Dissidia Final Fantasy]], in which tier 6 and tier 2 characters fought on equal grounds, and in non-canon versions, such as between [[Monkey D. Luffy|Luffy]], [[Goku]] and [[Toriko]]. As such the character appearing in the crossover should only be considered to be as powerful as the original if that isn't beyond the degree of power reasonable for the events in the story or other participants in the crossover.
   
 
Most characters within the [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Public_domain public domain] should only be considered as powerful as the originals if the crossover explicitly references their feats and nature. For example many vampire stories reference [https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dracula_(Roman) Dracula] as the original vampire, without the vampires in the franchise following the same rules as those of Bram Stoker. Another common example would be the [[Cthulhu Mythos]], for which characters appear in many franchises, sometimes even explicitly with similar background, without displaying remotely the same degree of power as the authentic versions. The same applies to mythological beings.
 
Most characters within the [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Public_domain public domain] should only be considered as powerful as the originals if the crossover explicitly references their feats and nature. For example many vampire stories reference [https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dracula_(Roman) Dracula] as the original vampire, without the vampires in the franchise following the same rules as those of Bram Stoker. Another common example would be the [[Cthulhu Mythos]], for which characters appear in many franchises, sometimes even explicitly with similar background, without displaying remotely the same degree of power as the authentic versions. The same applies to mythological beings.
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The crossover should be reasonably extensive, meaning that just brief cameos or references to another franchise should not be used for scaling purposes.
 
The crossover should be reasonably extensive, meaning that just brief cameos or references to another franchise should not be used for scaling purposes.
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==Examples==
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Profiles for characters that entirely originate from crossovers '''should''' be allowed.
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*'''Examples:''' [[Master Hand]] (Smash Bros.), [[Ultron-Sigma]] (Marvel vs. Capcom), [[Dark Kahn]] (Mortal Kombat vs. DC Universe), [[Cosmos (Dissidia Final Fantasy)|Cosmos]] and [[Chaos (Dissidia Final Fantasy)]], [[Lord Vortech]] (Lego Dimensions)
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Profiles for characters that appear in the main story of non-crossover games '''should''' be allowed.
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*'''Examples:''' [[Akuma (Tekken)|Akuma]] from Tekken 7, [[Geralt (Soul Calibur)|Geralt]] from SoulCalibur VI, [[Dante (Shin Megami Tensei)|Dante]] from SMT (Though he's a bit muddier with it considering a newer version of the game removed it).
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Profiles for crossover versions of characters from crossover games, and plot-irrelevant guest characters '''should NOT''' be allowed.
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*'''Examples:''' Mario (Smash Bros.), Thor (Marvel vs. Capcom), Jason Voorhees (Mortal Kombat), and Noctis (Tekken 7) As an extension of above, UNLESS their crossover version is basically defined by the crossover.
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This is rare but also worth clarifying.
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*'''Examples:''' [[Mr. Game & Watch|Smash Bros' Mr. Game & Watch]], who is barely a character in his games but Smash basically makes him their own thing, same with [[R.O.B. (Smash Bros.)|R.O.B.]]
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==See also==
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[[Canon]]
 
[[Category:Terms]]

Revision as of 15:28, 9 December 2019

Marvel vs Capcom

A crossover is the placement of two or more characters originating from different continuities/franchises/verses into a single story.

Non-canon crossovers do not officially take place within any of the involved continuities. Examples may include Marvel Vs Capcom, Mortal Kombat Vs DC Universe, or the Dragon Ball/One Piece/Toriko special episode. Given the multiple inconsistencies and lack of canonicity to their original source materials, using these crossovers to scale to canon or canon feats to scale to non-canon original characters is forbidden. Exceptions are that original characters may scale to their own feats or feats seen in the crossover. For example, Dark Kahn has a legitimate 2-C feat, but it does not scale to anyone but him.

Onesided crossovers officially take place within one continuity, but not the other. Given that some characters may be parodies of their original counterparts, they could potentially get a separate profile scaling from the other verse based on their importance to the story.

One example is the version of Dante in Shin Megami Tensei, who is based on his Devil May Cry counterpart, with the same name and appearance, but a slightly altered story to fit in more with the Shin Megami Tensei verse. However, the character in question may not be used to scale to the Devil May Cry cast.

Profiles for crossovers not canon to the main story of one or more of the franchises involved may only be created according to the regulations defined in the Canon page.

Canon crossovers officially take place within both continuities, and as such recurrently happen within a shared universe or feature characters made by the same creators. Examples include Mario Vs Donkey Kong or Dead or Alive/Ninja Gaiden. It is canon to both franchises and feats/scaling may be used if they are consistent.

We still have to differentiate between characters of different comparative power levels within the verses, and there may be outliers and Plot-Induced Stupidity, which are rules that still apply to linear canon verses.

Additionally, the feats seen or taken from the crossover may be consistent to one verse and not the other. There could be impressive feats seen as consistent with the established scale of one franchise, but that lack consistency with the otherwise featless franchise. We should only use scaling that does not contradict the statistics of the franchises, and need to use common sense for case-by-case analysis in addition to this.

This includes considering the contexts based on the nature or portrayal of the characters. For example, while Final Fight has shown very limited feats, characters such as Mike Haggar, Cody, and Hugo are consistently comparable to various Street Fighter characters and could scale to their feats.

Other issues to take into account:

Take note that crossovers will often rescale the power levels of the different characters for the sake of writing a more entertaining story. This can happen in both in-canon crossovers such as Dissidia Final Fantasy, in which tier 6 and tier 2 characters fought on equal grounds, and in non-canon versions, such as between Luffy, Goku and Toriko. As such the character appearing in the crossover should only be considered to be as powerful as the original if that isn't beyond the degree of power reasonable for the events in the story or other participants in the crossover.

Most characters within the public domain should only be considered as powerful as the originals if the crossover explicitly references their feats and nature. For example many vampire stories reference Dracula as the original vampire, without the vampires in the franchise following the same rules as those of Bram Stoker. Another common example would be the Cthulhu Mythos, for which characters appear in many franchises, sometimes even explicitly with similar background, without displaying remotely the same degree of power as the authentic versions. The same applies to mythological beings.

If a character in a crossover does not share the same history as the original, for example due to being an alternative universe version, it should not automatically be considered to possess the same degree of power.

The crossover should be reasonably extensive, meaning that just brief cameos or references to another franchise should not be used for scaling purposes.

Examples

Profiles for characters that entirely originate from crossovers should be allowed.

Profiles for characters that appear in the main story of non-crossover games should be allowed.

  • Examples: Akuma from Tekken 7, Geralt from SoulCalibur VI, Dante from SMT (Though he's a bit muddier with it considering a newer version of the game removed it).

Profiles for crossover versions of characters from crossover games, and plot-irrelevant guest characters should NOT be allowed.

  • Examples: Mario (Smash Bros.), Thor (Marvel vs. Capcom), Jason Voorhees (Mortal Kombat), and Noctis (Tekken 7) As an extension of above, UNLESS their crossover version is basically defined by the crossover.

This is rare but also worth clarifying.

See also

Canon