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Azathoth the Abyssal Idiot wrote:

The Living Tribunal1 wrote:

in all those cases, we consider that the shapes are time less, if a circle moved in a cartesian plane, then it will need to be defined by  a vector with 3 coordinate point.....

a cube moving through a void will need 4 coordinates to define its position and so on so forth, generally by dimensions, +1 for time is always assumed for moving objects, or else we wont be able to do calculations of them moving

yes u r rite for spacial dimensions, and using spacial dimensions, our universe has 3, so using that definition, the universe is 3-D (spacially)

Which is why, as I have said repeatedly, time is not considered the fourth dimension in Euclidian space, which space-time is not. Objects do not gain a spatial dimension by moving, and only require an extra dimension to calculate their position. The dimension of the space does not affect the dimension of the object, which can not exist in that space entirely. This sort of relates to how a 2-D being would only perceive a small sliver of a 3-D being, just as we would only perceive a small sliver of a 4-D being. This is why a tesseract is considered 4-D, and we are not. Regardless of motion, you will always need four coordinates to determine a single point in the tesseract. The same cannot be said for humans. Please read this, this, and this for comprehensive reasons we are not considered 4-D, and why we are not referred to as such in fiction. The implications in those works should be obvious, regardless.

thought mathematically, there is not difference between time and space dimensions, since both need to represented in the vectors of an object. in the links they talk about spatial dimensions (also, if we are in fact considering a touch of reality here, then keep in mind the only advantage a higher dimension has over a lower one is that it gives objects more freedome to move, and not ifnite more power)

i think i understand that you are sollely refering to space dimensions ok then, using ONLY spacial dimensions as definition, the universe itselft wud be a 3-D void expanding into some 4-D (4 spacially dimensional) hypervoid or bulk

so, tell me how is the universe itself 4-D, which is that extra dimension?

if anything, the universe itself exists on top of a 4 spacial dimensional bulk (the same way a surface lays on top of a 3 spacial dimensional objec, and a line lies within a 2- spacially dimensional object). so its expanding on a 5-d (4 spcial dimensions) brane

TO SUM IT UP: Which is the extra proven 4th dimension? When in fact no results have shown the presence of other dimensions? Also, if theoretical stuff is concerned, the universe wud have 11-dimensions, with extradimensions being all around us, with us unable to see them due to them being so minute