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The MFTL feats in question are of space travel, so I'm fairly certain that calcing it in the anime would still come out MFTL. And in fact, contrary to what you seem to be saying, which is that face-value time frames are almost universally less than lightspeed, '''face-value timeframes are what allow FTL feats to happen in the first place, because bringing cinematic time and it's notions of realistic time frames vs non-realistic time frames (the only standard we seem to be going by when judging whether or not cinematic time is a factor in a feat) into the argument would by default render all Lightspeed or faster feats invalid, because FTL as a concept is unrealistic since nothing in real life can go faster than light as to do so would require infinite energy or greater, which is literally impossible.''' |
The MFTL feats in question are of space travel, so I'm fairly certain that calcing it in the anime would still come out MFTL. And in fact, contrary to what you seem to be saying, which is that face-value time frames are almost universally less than lightspeed, '''face-value timeframes are what allow FTL feats to happen in the first place, because bringing cinematic time and it's notions of realistic time frames vs non-realistic time frames (the only standard we seem to be going by when judging whether or not cinematic time is a factor in a feat) into the argument would by default render all Lightspeed or faster feats invalid, because FTL as a concept is unrealistic since nothing in real life can go faster than light as to do so would require infinite energy or greater, which is literally impossible.''' |
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Latest revision as of 05:16, 21 December 2015
"With respect to this particular instance, cinematic time-frame screws up all speed scaling in the franchise. Hell, it disrupts the very base ideology of DBZ combat speeds being > travel speeds."
The basis for combat speed being greater than travel speed in Dragon Ball (at least pre-BOG Saga in Super) actually originates, to my knowledge, from the fact that they can keep up with and dodge blasts that far exceed the characters' travel speed. I'm not quite sure how cinematic time relates to this other than the apparent issue at hand of "are blast speeds in Dragon Ball at least partly caused by cinematic time?".
"All other instances of DBZ Ki basts must use the same principle as well, which would again lead to massive speed inconsistencies. For example, should we scale the speed of Master Roshi's Kamehameha (to the moon, back in Dragon Ball), with respect to this time-frame? Or even earlier, postulate the distance of the Ox King's mountain based on the cinematic time-frame (which would assuredly be far more than the actual distance)?"
Nobody reacted to either of those blasts, though, so the case of scaling them to anyone is a tenous case at best. Speaking of which, we have a bigger issue on our hands that I brought up; nobody reacted to Piccolo's moon-buster, so how can we scale it to anyone without assuming that all his blasts must be the same speed, which from what we see on-screen, they don't, and assuming they do requires bringing cinematic time into the issue, which, as I've stated repeatedly, is a factor that cannot be accurately measured and quantified?
"Almost all FTL feats in fiction would be rendered invalid by Cinematic time-frames. Should Dragon Ball Super's God Tier's speeds be calced using cinematic time-frames as well? Their speed end result would probably be lower than MHS, let alone MFTL."
The MFTL feats in question are of space travel, so I'm fairly certain that calcing it in the anime would still come out MFTL. And in fact, contrary to what you seem to be saying, which is that face-value time frames are almost universally less than lightspeed, face-value timeframes are what allow FTL feats to happen in the first place, because bringing cinematic time and it's notions of realistic time frames vs non-realistic time frames (the only standard we seem to be going by when judging whether or not cinematic time is a factor in a feat) into the argument would by default render all Lightspeed or faster feats invalid, because FTL as a concept is unrealistic since nothing in real life can go faster than light as to do so would require infinite energy or greater, which is literally impossible.
Lastly, there may have been flaws with the original calc that got 17.84 seconds. As TheLiving_Tribunal1 pointed out, the rocks that were used to get a timeframe may have been appeared because of Gohan's rampage. Did the timeframe rely on those rocks not appearing from Gohan's rampage? If so, the speed calc may be entirely invalid.