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| − | Cracking the city should be Base Thor's real AP (a quick calc with fragmentation puts him at low 7-B). So Iron Man plans to cap one end of the spire to '''''"keep the atomic action doubling back"''''' and create a "heat seal". Iron man ends up using the 3% power left in his suit to heat up the vibranium spire from below for a while, and then orders Thor to strike from above |
+ | Cracking the city should be Base Thor's real AP (a quick calc with fragmentation puts him at low 7-B). So Iron Man plans to cap one end of the spire to '''''"keep the atomic action doubling back"''''' and create a "heat seal". Iron man ends up using the 3% power left in his suit to heat up the vibranium spire from below for a while, and then orders Thor to strike from above to create a loop magnifying Thor's AP many times over as it reverberates within the vibranium, which resulted in the devastating destruction of Novi Grad. |
It is possible for Base Thor to have higher tiers of weather manipulation, but this kinda puts a limit on his striking/thunder AP; so a downgrade from 7A+ to Low 7B. Maybe trying to scale Thor surviving the aftermath can yield something higher? |
It is possible for Base Thor to have higher tiers of weather manipulation, but this kinda puts a limit on his striking/thunder AP; so a downgrade from 7A+ to Low 7B. Maybe trying to scale Thor surviving the aftermath can yield something higher? |
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Thor reignited a dying Neutron star in order to allow the forge to melt down the Uru ingots. |
Thor reignited a dying Neutron star in order to allow the forge to melt down the Uru ingots. |
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| − | The average temperature of the core of neutron stars is used for IW's dying neutron star (They start with a billion Kelvin, and then have a rapid cool down phase down to a million Kelvin after a few years). The thing is that the temperature of the core of the sun is more than 15 times of that (and the sun's luminosity is a million times more than a neutron star), and nukes can cause a temperature over a hundred times of that. If we go with realistic values, if Awakened Thor was all but burned to death from the neutron star, he'll probably be burned to ash by your run |
+ | The average temperature of the core of neutron stars is used for IW's dying neutron star (They start with a billion Kelvin, and then have a rapid cool down phase down to a million Kelvin after a few years). The thing is that the temperature of the core of the sun is more than 15 times of that (and the sun's luminosity is a million times more than a neutron star), and nukes can cause a temperature over a hundred times of that. If we go with realistic values, if Awakened Thor was all but burned to death from the neutron star, he'll probably be burned to ash by your run-of-the-mill nuke, which is not reflected by his durability tier. |
| − | Tanking the core of the sun has been [https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/User_blog:LordXcano/Tanking_the_Core_of_the_Sun calculated] [https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/User_blog:DontTalk/Durability_required_to_resist_the_heat_of_the_sun to be] at |
+ | Tanking the core of the sun has been [https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/User_blog:LordXcano/Tanking_the_Core_of_the_Sun calculated] [https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/User_blog:DontTalk/Durability_required_to_resist_the_heat_of_the_sun to be] at Tier 8 (and Thor got charred to near death by the inferior neutron star). Of course, more often than not fiction is very... flexible when it comes to heat durability and damage, so it would be more of a feat for stars in the MCU than it is a feat for Thor, and practically we can only scale the neutron star's AP based on how hyped up it is. The relation between heat and AP has been discussed [https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/Thread:3517767 here]. If we use the method used to calculate the Nidavellir feat at Low 6-B, shouldn't we be able to calculate the feat of tanking the sun's solar rays at close range as a Tier 5 durability feat for consistency?<ac_metadata title="Possible MCU Downgrades" related_topics="Marvel Cinematic Universe|Thor (Marvel Cinematic Universe)|Iron Man (Marvel Cinematic Universe)"> </ac_metadata> |
Latest revision as of 22:34, 16 November 2019
I don't want to be that guy, but I feel this is neccessary for accuracy.
Busting the Sokovian capital feat and tanking the Neutron stars feat are important for scaling the MCU, but I believe that they have been unreasonably exaggerated.
1- Busting Sokovia
From what I've seen, Thor is credited for one-shotting the Sokovia capital with his attack, and people can't be blamed for getting that impression, but when you look closely at the context of the feat and movie it is not so straight forward. In short, Ultron used Hydra-developed Chitauri anti-gravity engines to lift the city with the intention of dropping it as a meteor, and the whole thing is held together by a vibranium spire.
Iron Man proposes that Thor hits the vibranium spire to spread his force throughout the city, but F.R.I.D.A.Y. states that this will only cause the city to crack:
Tony: Spire is vibranium. If I get Thor to hit it...
F.R.I.D.A.Y: It will crack. That's not enough. The impact would still be devastating.
Tony: Maybe if we can cap the other end. Keep the atomic action doubling back.
F.R.I.D.A.Y: That could vaporize the city. And everyone on it.
Cracking the city should be Base Thor's real AP (a quick calc with fragmentation puts him at low 7-B). So Iron Man plans to cap one end of the spire to "keep the atomic action doubling back" and create a "heat seal". Iron man ends up using the 3% power left in his suit to heat up the vibranium spire from below for a while, and then orders Thor to strike from above to create a loop magnifying Thor's AP many times over as it reverberates within the vibranium, which resulted in the devastating destruction of Novi Grad.
It is possible for Base Thor to have higher tiers of weather manipulation, but this kinda puts a limit on his striking/thunder AP; so a downgrade from 7A+ to Low 7B. Maybe trying to scale Thor surviving the aftermath can yield something higher?
2- Tanking a neutron star
Thor reignited a dying Neutron star in order to allow the forge to melt down the Uru ingots.
The average temperature of the core of neutron stars is used for IW's dying neutron star (They start with a billion Kelvin, and then have a rapid cool down phase down to a million Kelvin after a few years). The thing is that the temperature of the core of the sun is more than 15 times of that (and the sun's luminosity is a million times more than a neutron star), and nukes can cause a temperature over a hundred times of that. If we go with realistic values, if Awakened Thor was all but burned to death from the neutron star, he'll probably be burned to ash by your run-of-the-mill nuke, which is not reflected by his durability tier.
Tanking the core of the sun has been calculated to be at Tier 8 (and Thor got charred to near death by the inferior neutron star). Of course, more often than not fiction is very... flexible when it comes to heat durability and damage, so it would be more of a feat for stars in the MCU than it is a feat for Thor, and practically we can only scale the neutron star's AP based on how hyped up it is. The relation between heat and AP has been discussed here. If we use the method used to calculate the Nidavellir feat at Low 6-B, shouldn't we be able to calculate the feat of tanking the sun's solar rays at close range as a Tier 5 durability feat for consistency?<ac_metadata title="Possible MCU Downgrades" related_topics="Marvel Cinematic Universe|Thor (Marvel Cinematic Universe)|Iron Man (Marvel Cinematic Universe)"> </ac_metadata>