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| − | Your first paragraph is a quintessential of PIS nothing more. Hinata replenished Naruto chakra, but that's not because she absorbed Hamura chakra. |
+ | Your first paragraph is a quintessential of PIS nothing more. Hinata replenished Naruto chakra, but that's not because she absorbed Hamura chakra. |
| − | Your second paragraph doesn't align with my point. I didn't use the consideration more chakra was erupting from the ground, but the interval at which they completely erupt from the ground. It took a whole seven pages, whereas the chakra used to materialise ETSB took just one and a half page. |
+ | Your second paragraph doesn't align with my point. I didn't use the consideration more chakra was erupting from the ground, but the interval at which they completely erupt from the ground. It took a whole seven pages, whereas the chakra used to materialise ETSB took just one and a half page. |
| − | Your third paragraph doesn't even address my point/it's misconstrued. I didn't suggest the event of chakra erupting accounts to Madara's DC. He couldn't even stand the chakra because of the sheer volume. |
+ | Your third paragraph doesn't even address my point/it's misconstrued. I didn't suggest the event of chakra erupting accounts to Madara's DC. He couldn't even stand the chakra because of the sheer volume. |
"that she wasn't already using the chakra she possessed with the chakra she was shown absorbing." |
"that she wasn't already using the chakra she possessed with the chakra she was shown absorbing." |
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| − | The databook stated ETSB was solely made from the chakra she absorbed from those trapped on Infinite Tsukuyomi. |
+ | The databook stated ETSB was solely made from the chakra she absorbed from those trapped on Infinite Tsukuyomi. |
| − | Your fifth paragraph is partly true. While it would require the total energy of her ETSB to use Amenominaka, all overall tier isn't mitigated considering the energy expended is lesser than her overarching energy, which is proven seeing as she was able to use Amenominaka several times. Moreover isn't it a rule for a character to decrease in strength as the fight goes? Unless you're saying a character's potency suppose to increase or remain the same after an elapsed time, which is completely unreasonable. |
+ | Your fifth paragraph is partly true. While it would require the total energy of her ETSB to use Amenominaka, all overall tier isn't mitigated considering the energy expended is lesser than her overarching energy, which is proven seeing as she was able to use Amenominaka several times. Moreover isn't it a rule for a character to decrease in strength as the fight goes? Unless you're saying a character's potency suppose to increase or remain the same after an elapsed time, which is completely unreasonable. |
| − | The only time her body was perforated conventionally when she was extremely low on chakra. The other times where due to hax, and incompatibility. Kakashi severed her arm due to Kamui, and Naruto's Super Bijuu Rasenshuriken was basically her achilles heal due to her Bijuu chakra reacting negatively with Naruto's attack. |
+ | The only time her body was perforated conventionally was during when she was extremely low on chakra. The other times where due to hax, and incompatibility. Kakashi severed her arm due to Kamui, and Naruto's Super Bijuu Rasenshuriken was basically her achilles heal due to her Bijuu chakra reacting negatively with Naruto's attack. |
"creating a new dimension via ETSB > changing a pre-existing dimension." |
"creating a new dimension via ETSB > changing a pre-existing dimension." |
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| − | Actually, that's wrong. It was stated Kaguya's might and speed was exponentially greater than before when absorbed chakra for the second time, implying the chakra she absorbed was enough to create ETSB, and amped her strength and speed. Meanwhile, everytime she used Amenominaka, her stats were greatly reduced due to the tremendous amount of chakra spent. |
+ | Actually, that's wrong. It was stated Kaguya's might and speed was exponentially greater than before when she absorbed chakra for the second time, implying the chakra she absorbed was enough to create ETSB, and amped her strength and speed. Meanwhile, everytime she used Amenominaka, her stats were greatly reduced due to the tremendous amount of chakra spent. |
In addition, Naruto was pegged at planet level because he absorbed Hagoromo's chakra. Kaguya basically has the same premise, yet people are nit-picking at events that was clearly PIS. I could use the same logic of Hinata replenishing Naruto, to rubbish his planet level conclusion..withal it's ironic how my exposition is labeled a conjecture, yet there's literally nothing that suggested, much more proved ETSB was Kaguya's strongest attack. |
In addition, Naruto was pegged at planet level because he absorbed Hagoromo's chakra. Kaguya basically has the same premise, yet people are nit-picking at events that was clearly PIS. I could use the same logic of Hinata replenishing Naruto, to rubbish his planet level conclusion..withal it's ironic how my exposition is labeled a conjecture, yet there's literally nothing that suggested, much more proved ETSB was Kaguya's strongest attack. |
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Revision as of 15:00, 21 July 2018
Except if you watched The Last, Toneri absorbed so much of Naruto's chakra ("all of my chakra is being sucked out") that he couldn't maintain his Kurama chakra mode, and he was noticeably weakened. Hinata then lended Naruto her chakra, and he was once again able to stand and use KCM against a destabilized Toneri.
Your argument regarding Kaguya and chakra heavily relies on the visual cues that show more chakra erupting from the ground when Madara was still himself, than when Naruto destabilized her in her dimensions.
Naruto only stated that Madara had even more chakra than the Juubi, and considering he only said that after Madara became a perfect jinchuuriki + absorbing the god tree and absorbing IT energy doesn't put him any higher than what he's rated at. At most that makes him at least planet level, which doesn't matter anyway since he can't do anything in that form, plus he's technically no longer Madara.
You're also assuming since we're shown Kaguya absorbing seemingly less chakra for the ETSB than Kaguya absorbed in her formation, that she wasn't already using the chakra she possessed with the chakra she was shown absorbing.
Kaguya would have to use almost all of the energy present in her ETSB each time she uses her dimensional hax for your statement to hold true that doing so weakens her from 5-A to 5-B, enabling Naruto and Sasuke to fight her.
Except we know ETSB is the most power she's ever wielded, she's been mutilated repeatedly, and right off the bat after her first dimension switch, Naruto and Sasuke could hold their own, and they weren't fresh like Kaguya was.
Furthermore, if we take things as literal as you do, creating a new dimension via ETSB > changing a pre-existing dimension.
Your first paragraph is a quintessential of PIS nothing more. Hinata replenished Naruto chakra, but that's not because she absorbed Hamura chakra.
Your second paragraph doesn't align with my point. I didn't use the consideration more chakra was erupting from the ground, but the interval at which they completely erupt from the ground. It took a whole seven pages, whereas the chakra used to materialise ETSB took just one and a half page.
Your third paragraph doesn't even address my point/it's misconstrued. I didn't suggest the event of chakra erupting accounts to Madara's DC. He couldn't even stand the chakra because of the sheer volume.
"that she wasn't already using the chakra she possessed with the chakra she was shown absorbing."
The databook stated ETSB was solely made from the chakra she absorbed from those trapped on Infinite Tsukuyomi.
Your fifth paragraph is partly true. While it would require the total energy of her ETSB to use Amenominaka, all overall tier isn't mitigated considering the energy expended is lesser than her overarching energy, which is proven seeing as she was able to use Amenominaka several times. Moreover isn't it a rule for a character to decrease in strength as the fight goes? Unless you're saying a character's potency suppose to increase or remain the same after an elapsed time, which is completely unreasonable.
The only time her body was perforated conventionally was during when she was extremely low on chakra. The other times where due to hax, and incompatibility. Kakashi severed her arm due to Kamui, and Naruto's Super Bijuu Rasenshuriken was basically her achilles heal due to her Bijuu chakra reacting negatively with Naruto's attack.
"creating a new dimension via ETSB > changing a pre-existing dimension."
Actually, that's wrong. It was stated Kaguya's might and speed was exponentially greater than before when she absorbed chakra for the second time, implying the chakra she absorbed was enough to create ETSB, and amped her strength and speed. Meanwhile, everytime she used Amenominaka, her stats were greatly reduced due to the tremendous amount of chakra spent.
In addition, Naruto was pegged at planet level because he absorbed Hagoromo's chakra. Kaguya basically has the same premise, yet people are nit-picking at events that was clearly PIS. I could use the same logic of Hinata replenishing Naruto, to rubbish his planet level conclusion..withal it's ironic how my exposition is labeled a conjecture, yet there's literally nothing that suggested, much more proved ETSB was Kaguya's strongest attack.