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I have been helping out with the Lovecraft revisions via Discord, and I have come to say that I agree with this.
To add on to all of this, Yog-Sothoth has much more impressive showings than Azathoth, even though neither of them have appeared in the same story.
 
 
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For starters, Through the Gates of the Silver Key presents us with this quote:
 
 
{{Quote|All descended lines of beings of the finite dimensions, continued the waves, and all stages of growth in each one of these beings, are merely manifestations of one archetypal and eternal being in the space outside dimensions. Each local being—son, father, grandfather, and so on—and each stage of individual being—infant, child, boy, young man, old man—is merely one of the infinite phases of that same archetypal and eternal being, caused by a variation in the angle of the consciousness-plane which cuts it. Randolph Carter at all ages; Randolph Carter and all his ancestors both human and pre-human, terrestrial and pre-terrestrial; all these were only phases of one ultimate, eternal “Carter” outside space and time—phantom projections differentiated only by the angle at which the plane of consciousness happened to cut the eternal archetype in each case.|Through the Gates of the Silver Key}}
 
 
Here, it's saying that all beings and all stages of growth in each being are simply phases of ''one'' eternal archetype, only distinguished by the angles at which a plane of consciousness "cuts" the archetype.
 
 
{{Quote|The archetypes, throbbed the waves, are the people of the ultimate abyss—formless, ineffable, and guessed at only by rare dreamers on the low-dimensioned worlds. Chief among such was this informing BEING itself . . . which indeed was Carter’s own archetype. The glutless zeal of Carter and all his forbears for forbidden cosmic secrets was a natural result of derivation from the SUPREME ARCHETYPE. On every world all great wizards, all great thinkers, all great artists, are facets of IT.|Through the Gates of the Silver Key}}
 
 
It then goes on to talk about the archetypes (the Outer Gods) and how they themselves are the people of the Ultimate Void, only known to a few vivid dreamers. Among these archetypes, Yog-Sothoth is supreme. All things are ultimately mere facets of him.
 
 
But how can we be sure that the other Outer Gods would also be fragmentary before Yog-Sothoth? Well, what if I told you that the regular Outer Gods, unlike Yog-Sothoth, are ''not'' eternal? To prove this, I will have to refer to The Dream-Quest of Unknown Kadath:
 
 
{{Quote|Then through the glittering vault ahead there fell a hush of portent, and all the winds and horrors slunk away as night things slink away before the dawn. Trembling in waves that golden wisps of nebula made weirdly visible, there rose a timid hint of far-off melody, droning in faint chords that our own universe of stars knows not. And as that music grew, the shantak raised its ears and plunged ahead, and Carter likewise bent to catch each lovely strain. It was a song, but not the song of any voice. Night and the spheres sang it, and it was old when space and Nyarlathotep and the Other Gods were born.|The Dream-Quest of Unknown Kadath}}
 
 
Take note of the last sentence. "...when space and Nyarlathotep and the Other Gods were born." This definitely suggests that the Outer Gods did not always exist, only Yog-Sothoth is truly eternal.
 
 
{{Quote|It was dark when the galley passed betwixt the Basalt Pillars of the West and the sound of the ultimate cataract swelled portentous from ahead. And the spray of that cataract rose to obscure the stars, and the deck grew damp, and the vessel reeled in the surging current of the brink. Then with a queer whistle and plunge the leap was taken, and Carter felt the terrors of nightmare as earth fell away and the great boat shot silent and comet-like into planetary space. Never before had he known what shapeless black things lurk and caper and flounder all through the aether, leering and grinning at such voyagers as may pass, and sometimes feeling about with slimy paws when some moving object excites their curiosity. These are the nameless larvae of the Other Gods, and like them are blind and without mind, and possessed of singular hungers and thirsts.|The Dream-Quest of Unknown Kadath}}
 
{{Quote|Unswerving and obedient to the foul legate’s orders, that hellish bird plunged onward through shoals of shapeless lurkers and caperers in darkness, and vacuous herds of drifting entities that pawed and groped and groped and pawed; the nameless larvae of the Other Gods, that are like them blind and without mind, and possessed of singular hungers and thirsts.|The Dream-Quest of Unknown Kadath}}
 
 
These two pieces of text outright describe larval Outer Gods. If you did your science homework in school, you'd know that a larva is essentially the infantile/immature form of an insect prior to undergoing metamorphosis. I don't know how to reconcile this with the statement that the Outer Gods can choose to experience a limited perspective involving change or a boundless, unchanging perspective, but whatever.
 
 
And now, for the final icing on the cake:
 
 
{{Quote|While the silence still lasted, Randolph Carter radiated forth the thoughts and questions which assailed him. He knew that in this ultimate abyss he was equidistant from every facet of his archetype—human or non-human, earthly or extra-earthly, galactic or trans-galactic; and his curiosity regarding the other phases of his being—especially those phases which were farthest from an earthly 1928 in time and space, or which had most persistently haunted his dreams throughout life—was at fever heat.|Through the Gates of the Silver Key}}
 
 
This text directly states that Carter, at this point, along with every other being, is equidistant from Yog-Sothoth. As the previous quotes give us reason to believe, these beings include the Outer Gods, who inhabit the Ultimate Void and are already basically beyond everything.
 
 
Bottom line: whatever tier the Outer Gods are placed at, I would argue that Yog-Sothoth gets placed in the tier above.</div>
 

Latest revision as of 06:22, 23 January 2020

I have been helping out with the Lovecraft revisions via Discord, and I have come to say that I agree with this.